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Old 07-31-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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HICs in individual markets have a monopoly which allows them to drive up the cost because of no competition.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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Just like what's going to happen with Social Security one day.
All that money deducted from our paychecks and where is it ? *poof*
That's right, poof. Just like many have lost in the private sector-401k-poof pensions-poof bank accounts-poof home equity-poof and now with health insurance-poof!
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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healthcare should be non-profit...
nobody should be able to profit from someone else's disease
Restaurants, food service, and food manufacturing should be non-profit...
nobody should be able to profit from someone else's hunger.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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we already have that problem..
my mother is a hospital administrator in seattle..
and 80 percent of the doctors she gets under contract are from canada.. educated in canada....
They come here and make 3 times what they make in canada..
I think a doctor should be well compensated for what he/she does.. absolutely..but the hospitals and insurance companies that govern the entire system should not be profiting..
just because you work for a non-profit agency doesn't mean you don't get paid...
Healthcare is about CARE and COMPASSION for others..
The only reason why doctors are paid as much as they are.. is because it's not about care anymore.. it's about business.. and when it's run like a business.. it's about stifling competition and capturing market share... which creates demand for your services.. if you're ok with equating human healthcare services to that of a hair dresser... then you have some serious priority and or perception issues...
allowing a BUSINESS to control a service that people can't go without where it's a matter of life or death is not a business.. it's a cartel...
Is there anything in 0bama/Pelosi care to lower the educational costs or malpractice insurance costs faced by doctors?

If 0bama care is going to "squeeze" the compensations to doctors and the insurance companies, how will doctors pay off their student loans and pay their malpractice insurance? Where will the incentive come from to become a doctor?
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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well lucky you...
I have pretty good healthcare through my job as well, but because i'm gay.. my partner isn't allowed to be covered on it because we aren't married..I am a teacher and get state benefits...
SO.. essentially we have to pay seperately for his..


Huh...newsflash. I'm gay, too. Still covered under my wife's insurance bc of domestic partnership.
And if I weren't? I'd go buy my own damn insurance. Already looked into it. Can get on a great plan for about 300 bucks a month.


my sister and her kids live with my partner and I.. and her deadbeat ex-husband refuses to insure the kids..and my sister was a stay at home mom, and lacks the ability to provide for the kids herself without going on the state for health insurance...so here we are in a full house situation.. and uncle boiseguy and partner are trying to provide for the household...and faced with unfair, ridiculous restrictions and exceptions to rules which cost us an arm and a leg.. when it doesn't even have to be like this...and it shouldn't...

You are right. It shouldn't be like that. My friend had the exact same thing happen to her - stupid deadbeat husband left her with their daughter, stiffed her for child support, and didn't even pick up the kid's insurance. SO SHE GOT A JOB. And sued the crap out of him. Guess who just got back-paid for all her insurance premiums and child support?


Sounds like there are more system problems in your case than actual healthcare/insurance problems. The system fails in other places and you want to fix the symptom instead of the disease.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Is there anything in 0bama/Pelosi care to lower the educational costs or malpractice insurance costs faced by doctors?

If 0bama care is going to "squeeze" the compensations to doctors and the insurance companies, how will doctors pay off their student loans and pay their malpractice insurance? Where will the incentive come from to become a doctor?
Doctors belong to the same club as everyone. My insurance rates are skyrocketing and so is the doctor's. It is said that if we can put caps on lawsuits then doctor's rates will lower and then mine will. I see a common thread here, evil doctors, patients wanting everything for free, hungry lawyers, saintly insurance companies.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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Restaurants, food service, and food manufacturing should be non-profit...
nobody should be able to profit from someone else's hunger.
Why is it so hard for to you to comprehend the problem with health insurance companies having no competition or regulation? Were you born after the Wall Streets bailouts? Do you really think that your analogy is on target?
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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As I interpret this, that's a profit margin of 6.5%. People who own these stocks aren't making a killing.

It was down in 08 to 14.5% (down from 29% in 2004).
(return on shareholders equity)


While 14% isn't 29%, I'd take any positive percent on my dollar these days.

[please note: i know little about annual reports and the like, and i have a financial manger handling my investments for me......)

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Old 07-31-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Wait a minute, I am a healthcare provider, are you saying I do not have a right to make a profit?
It depends on how much profit and at what expense to a patient. If you are paid a bonus by insurance companies to not run tests or provide treatments then I would consider this profit a conflict of interest to a medical provider.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I know of no one who is paid a bonus to deny needed tests or treatments. I would like to make sure everyone who works has a government agency sign off on how much they can make like they are trying to do on Wall Street and in health care.
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