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They had the chance to dump Medicare again yestareday but they could not find even a single vote to do it! I wonder why? And, after all, it was them and GW Bush that passed Part D didn't they? What are the Republicans REALLY scared of with the public option? No, it is not the cost. It is not the "government running healthcare" either. After all they all LOVE Medicare now after they tried to beat it (remember the "creeping Communism" crap they put out back then? Silly TV ads with Ronnie Reagan who, as President, did not even dare to touch Medicare?).
No, I actually caught a wiff of what they are really scared of and it has nothing to do with the healthcare plan and everything to do with politics. Neal Boortz said as much on his show when he said that "if we cannot stop this, we will never be able to roll it back and the Democrats will use it as an election issue everytime like they do with Social Security".
In other words they are afraid the thing might be a SUCCESS!
Because Medicare is not socialized medicine in the UH sense. Medicare has additional options and various plans to which people can pay more for. In addition, most people on Medicare purchase secondary insurance to cover the gaps that Medicare doesn't provide. Lastly, Medicare, as it is now, still allows a doctor to make decisions and doesn't intervene in health care to the degree that Obamacare is suggesting.A better comparison is our VA (veterans) system. That is more representative of Obamacare in which they heavily intervene and don't authorize tests and other procedures even though it is warranted.
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Because Medicare is not socialized medicine in the UH sense. Medicare has additional options and various plans to which people can pay more for. In addition, most people on Medicare purchase secondary insurance to cover the gaps that Medicare doesn't provide. Lastly, Medicare, as it is now, still allows a doctor to make decisions and doesn't intervene in health care to the degree that Obamacare is suggesting.A better comparison is our VA (veterans) system. That is more representative of Obamacare in which they heavily intervene and don't authorize tests and other procedures even though it is warranted.
In short, nice try
And how do you know such test and procedures are "warranted"?
They had the chance to dump Medicare again yestareday but they could not find even a single vote to do it! I wonder why? And, after all, it was them and GW Bush that passed Part D didn't they? What are the Republicans REALLY scared of with the public option? No, it is not the cost. It is not the "government running healthcare" either. After all they all LOVE Medicare now after they tried to beat it (remember the "creeping Communism" crap they put out back then? Silly TV ads with Ronnie Reagan who, as President, did not even dare to touch Medicare?).
No, I actually caught a wiff of what they are really scared of and it has nothing to do with the healthcare plan and everything to do with politics. Neal Boortz said as much on his show when he said that "if we cannot stop this, we will never be able to roll it back and the Democrats will use it as an election issue everytime like they do with Social Security".
In other words they are afraid the thing might be a SUCCESS!
They had the chance to dump Medicare again yestareday but they could not find even a single vote to do it! I wonder why? And, after all, it was them and GW Bush that passed Part D didn't they? What are the Republicans REALLY scared of with the public option? No, it is not the cost. It is not the "government running healthcare" either. After all they all LOVE Medicare now after they tried to beat it (remember the "creeping Communism" crap they put out back then? Silly TV ads with Ronnie Reagan who, as President, did not even dare to touch Medicare?).
No, I actually caught a wiff of what they are really scared of and it has nothing to do with the healthcare plan and everything to do with politics. Neal Boortz said as much on his show when he said that "if we cannot stop this, we will never be able to roll it back and the Democrats will use it as an election issue everytime like they do with Social Security".
In other words they are afraid the thing might be a SUCCESS!
It is because most people are not blind and know that there is very little that the government is good at doing other that spending tax payers dollars foolishly.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Public support for President Barack Obama's handling of healthcare reform, the pillar of his legislative agenda, has fallen below 50 percent for the first time, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released on Monday said.
They are opposed to it, because they believe it would be unfair to the private health insurance agencies to have to compete with a public option.
The Democrats believe that a public option will keep the private insurance agencies in check.
I know FOR A FACT, that I will keep my private insurance, so I don't think that the Republicans argument holds that much water. I know that the public option won't be as good as private insurance.
That's disingenous to say the least. How can any company compete with the federal government with regard to resources? The govt. can underbid any private insurance company. Sure, if someone is selling something for $100 and has much better service and the other company is selling the same product for $90 with worse service, you will stick with your original company. But if the second company offers the product for $30, you will flock to that other company regardless if the service stinks because it's considerably cheaper.
It's just laughable that O'bama is talking as if this is true competition in any real sense. This is just smoke and mirrors designed to fool the sheep in our country. Anyone with half a brain understands where this is going. The idea is to eliminate private insurance companies by underbidding which will eventually end up as a single payer system. Obama has vocally expressed that desire in the past only to refute this recently. Remember, this is the same lying politician that claimed during his Presidential campaign that health care would be completely funded through companies providing coverage to their employees or else pay a fine which would subsidize health care for others.
‘‘(C) PROHIBITION ON EXPANSION OF FACILITY CAPACITY.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), the number of operating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds of the hospital at any time on or after the date of the enactment of this subsection are no greater than the number of operating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds respectively, as of such date."
And then, on page 427..
"A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment;"
First off, let me say this.. The government can hardly put a proper sentence together (A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause).
Secondly, I thought the goals of life sustaining treatment were to sustain life.. I don't want the government "training" health care professionals about the goals and use of orders for life-sustaining treatment. I think they have been trained thoroughly already. It sounds to me as if the government training would include nudging the health care professional to take into serious consideration giving orders to sustain life or perhaps face "repercussions."
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That's disingenous to say the least. How can any company compete with the federal government with regard to resources? The govt. can underbid any private insurance company. Sure, if someone is selling something for $100 and has much better service and the other company is selling the same product for $90 with worse service, you will stick with your original company. But if the second company offers the product for $30, you will flock to that other company regardless if the service stinks because it's considerably cheaper.
It's just laughable that O'bama is talking as if this is true competition in any real sense. This is just smoke and mirrors designed to fool the sheep in our country. Anyone with half a brain understands where this is going. The idea is to eliminate private insurance companies by underbidding which will eventually end up as a single payer system. Obama has vocally expressed that desire in the past only to refute this recently. Remember, this is the same lying politician that claimed during his Presidential campaign that health care would be completely funded through companies providing coverage to their employees or else pay a fine which would subsidize health care for others.
That is not necessarily true. If that were true, every grocery store in the USA would be out of business except for Aldi. And in the industry I work in (cellular telecom), AT&T and Verizon- which are the most expensive of the cellular services- would not be also 1 and 2 in the number of subscribers. Sprint and Cricket/Metro are much cheaper services.
Product and service DO count for lots of consumers. Even in Canada where they have a full blown government system, private insurance thrives right along side of it. Blue Cross Canada does pretty good business there.
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