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Originally posted by hopaplane
You don't sound socially conservative here at all, but I'm assuming you're against same sex marriage, against ENDA and for DADT etc. I don't understand how someone could be friends with someone who views them as a second class citizen, and I don't understand how you could be friends with someone you find immoral. If that's what you really think. But if it works, it works.
1. I'm fine with civil unions, on the fence with Gay Marriage (well, I'm not opposed to it, anyway). Don't know what ENDA is and DADT. As for Second class citizen, see post #4
2. Also, when I look at my friend, I don't see "immoral". I see a faithful friend who's helped and encouraged me through the roughest parts of my life, who is kind and caring and would be there for me in a heart beat--and vice versa. And that overlooks anything he does in my book.
I truly, honestly do not dislike gay people. I have genuinely liked and gotten along with every single one I've ever met, because I view them as people first, and I treat them as such--separate from what they do.
Question is, can you be friends with someone who's values or worldview are opposed to your own?
Sure ya can! One of my best friends that I grew up with came out to me two years ago. He knew I was a conservative christian and took the traditional line on homosexuality and still came out to me. And you know what? We still hang out, we are still honest with each other, and we're still good friends. When he has a boyfriend, I'll have them both over to dinner. I love him as my friend, and his homosexuality doesn't change that at all.
If I had to agree with everything someone did in order for me to love them, then I wouldn't be able to love anyone. I would also have to think I was perfect, which I most definitely am not.
Question is, can you be friends with someone who's values or worldview are opposed to your own?
I know you weren't directing the question to me, but I just want to say that yes, I am able to do that. It's something that's relatively new for me, however. Before Prop. 8 passed in California, I was much more one-sided in my thinking. This forum contributed in large part to my realizing that I can get along with and even like people whose opinions are fundamentally different from mine.
It's so easy to get wrapped up in our own thinking and only associate with people who agree with us. I'm glad I don't do that anymore.
1. I'm fine with civil unions, on the fence with Gay Marriage (well, I'm not opposed to it, anyway). Don't know what ENDA is and DADT. As for Second class citizen, see post #4
2. Also, when I look at my friend, I don't see "immoral". I see a faithful friend who's helped and encouraged me through the roughest parts of my life, who is kind and caring and would be there for me in a heart beat--and vice versa. And that overlooks anything he does in my book.
I truly, honestly do not dislike gay people. I have genuinely liked and gotten along with every single one I've ever met, because I view them as people first, and I treat them as such--separate from what they do.
Question is, can you be friends with someone who's values or worldview are opposed to your own?
Really? How's God feel about it? Not judging you, just holding a "brother" accountable. The Bible is clear, the world will hate us. Are you willing to be hatred for Christ?
I know you weren't directing the question to me, but I just want to say that yes, I am able to do that. It's something that's relatively new for me, however. Before Prop. 8 passed in California, I was much more one-sided in my thinking. This forum contributed in large part to my realizing that I can get along with and even like people whose opinions are fundamentally different from mine.
It's so easy to get wrapped up in our own thinking and only associate with people who agree with us. I'm glad I don't do that anymore.
1. I'm fine with civil unions, on the fence with Gay Marriage (well, I'm not opposed to it, anyway). Don't know what ENDA is and DADT. As for Second class citizen, see post #4
2. Also, when I look at my friend, I don't see "immoral". I see a faithful friend who's helped and encouraged me through the roughest parts of my life, who is kind and caring and would be there for me in a heart beat--and vice versa. And that overlooks anything he does in my book.
I truly, honestly do not dislike gay people. I have genuinely liked and gotten along with every single one I've ever met, because I view them as people first, and I treat them as such--separate from what they do.
Question is, can you be friends with someone who's values or worldview are opposed to your own?
Okay, well, I don't have anything against you. You sound reasonable, I'm not really sure where we differ here aside from the marriage issue? I don't expect straight people to "understand" gay people and same sex attraction. As long as you are civil and don't keep me from my rights, I have no problem with you.
ENDA - employment non discrimination act
DADT - don't ask, don't tell
Sonrise, thanks for your response. Nothing to add here. I don't follow the bible/believe in god, myself.(well, that's sort of obvious)
Really? How's God feel about it? Not judging you, just holding a "brother" accountable. The Bible is clear, the world will hate us. Are you willing to be hatred for Christ?
You must also be upset with Christian churches that perform same-sex ceremonies and ordain gay ministers, correct?
Originally posted by AnUnidentifiedMale
I know you weren't directing the question to me, but I just want to say that yes, I am able to do that, but it's something that's relatively new for me. Before Prop. 8 passed in California, I was much more one-sided in my thinking. This forum contributed in large part to my realizing that I can get along with and even like people whose opinions are fundamentally different from mine.
It's so easy to get wrapped up in our own thinking and only associate with people who agree with us. I'm glad I don't do that anymore.
And that's why you're such a great addition to the forum. Honestly, you're honest about your views, but you're sensible and easy to get along with. Glad to have ya here!
Originally posted by Sonrise
Really? How's God feel about it? Not judging you, just holding a "brother" accountable. The Bible is clear, the world will hate us. Are you willing to be hatred for Christ?
Sorry, I should've clarified. I don't like the act of gay marriage, but as far as making it legal I guess I'm indifferent to it either way. That's where I'm at on it right now.
Sorry, I should've clarified. I don't like the act of gay marriage, but as far as making it legal I guess I'm indifferent to it either way. That's where I'm at on it right now.
What is it about the act of two people of the same sex marrying that bothers you? Don't really understand that.
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The Bible is clear, the world will hate us. Are you willing to be hatred for Christ?
