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Old 08-04-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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Congressman Fleming has a bill HR 615 that requires congress to use same healthcare as public. Please go to his site and sign the petition

Congressman John Fleming : Home (http://fleming.house.gov/index.html - broken link)
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:47 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm not sure how I feel about this.

I haven't seen or heard that EVERYONE will have to use this insurance. If people can keep their private plan then members of congress should have that option as well. This plan may end up being bare bones, not as good as some private plans, and that's reasonable if the alternative is no insurance at all. People can buy what they can afford.
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Old 11-16-2009, 07:40 AM
 
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If we will be subject to this socialist health care plan then they should also. They have way to many perks as it is
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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Why force Congressmen and women to use the Public Option? The entire purpose is that it is an OPTION. So I am completely in favor of Representatives and Senators buying into a Public Option if they wanted, but I don't want them to be forced to do anything. I know this is the typical liberal stand point, letting people have the freedom to chose. But I understand why Republicans are against freedom of choice.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:15 PM
 
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Why force Congressmen and women to use the Public Option? The entire purpose is that it is an OPTION. So I am completely in favor of Representatives and Senators buying into a Public Option if they wanted, but I don't want them to be forced to do anything. I know this is the typical liberal stand point, letting people have the freedom to chose. But I understand why Republicans are against freedom of choice.
HUH??
Why on earth would you say Republicans are against freedom of choice?
All I was saying is; if we are forced into a system (and I believe eventually that is exactly what will happen) then congress should
also be forced into the same system. We all know they won't be!
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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The bill as it reads now (to my understanding) says that members of Congress MAY enter the plan, if they so choose but are not required to do so. I signed the Fleming petition several weeks ago. I don't know if the Fleming amendment is dead or not but I have both written and called my Senator Ben Nelson and told his office staff that unless Congress is also REQUIRED to be covered by the plan, just like the rest of us, he has lost my vote the next time he comes up for re-election.

Calling and writing your senators and putting pressure on them is just as effective as a petition--maybe more so.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:58 PM
 
Location: California
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Here is the thing...if whatever you think is going to happen to FORCE everyone onto one heath plan actually happens then Congress WILL be on it by default, there will be no other private insurers left. And even IF that were to happen any employer can "benefit" it's employees with extra $$ to cover things not usually covered, including Congress. It doesn't matter what you sign or who you vote for or threaten NOT to vote for, because the fact is that $$ can buy you whatever you want. It's ALWAYS been that way and ALWAYS will be. That makes this a non issue IMO.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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The exact text of HR 615 is:
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that Members who vote in favor of the establishment of a public, Federal Government run health insurance option are urged to forgo their right to participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and agree to enroll under that public option.
It is a "sense of Congress" resolution that does not require any specific action on the part of Members of Congress. Such resolutions do not make law - they are not enforceable. They are used to "send a message", which is another way of saying, it's just another political tactic.

However, it would be interesting to see if the cosponsors of this bill, obviously feeling so strongly about this, opt for the "public option" themselves, regardless of the fate of this resolution. They are:

Mr. FLEMING (for himself, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. BARTLETT, Mr. LINDER, Mr. GARRETT of New Jersey, Mr. BLUNT, Mr. SCALISE, Mr. ALEXANDER, Mr. BONNER, Mr. LAMBORN, Mr. LUETKEMEYER, Mr. AKIN, Mr. BISHOP of Utah, Ms. FALLIN, Mr. COLE, Mr. GOHMERT, Mr. PENCE, Mr. HENSARLING, Mr. PITTS, Mr. POSEY, Mr. MARCHANT, Mrs. LUMMIS, Mr. BRADY of Texas, Mr. BOOZMAN, Mr. ROGERS of Alabama, Mr. POE of Texas, and Mr. BOUSTANY).
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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I hope no one is naive enough to think that Congress will, by default, find themselves in the same boat as everyone else. Congress ALWAYS takes care of itself first and to exempt themselves from mandatory participation in any public health care bill will not be unprecedented. (Congress exempted itself from OSHA regulations for decades before placing itself under it just recently.)

The Fleming amendment was a House amendment. The bill is in the Senate now and the House has nothing more to say about it at this point. If/when the Senate passes its own version the bill will go back to the House for its approval and, if approved, will go the president for signing.

If people want to press for an amendment that makes it mandatory for Congress to be covered by the health care bill, they should be calling/faxing/mailing their senators.
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Congress ALWAYS takes care of itself first and to exempt themselves from mandatory participation in any public health care bill will not be unprecedented.
Actually, Members of Congress will be just as required to adhere to the health care reform as anyone else. However, the public option - at least in the Senate bill - is not mandatory for anyone.

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The Fleming amendment was a House amendment.
Actually, no. As I said earlier, it's a "sense of Congress" resolution - not an amendment, not a law, nothing but some PR for some Members of Congress.

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If people want to press for an amendment that makes it mandatory for Congress to be covered by the health care bill, they should be calling/faxing/mailing their senators.
With either the House or Senate versions of the health care reform bill, the health care plan that Congress has now would be meet all requirements of the health care reform bill, and therefore Congress would be included.
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