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Old 08-06-2009, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Leftist Bloggers Who Get Marching Orders from Obama Attack Protesters as "Astroturf"

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Leftist Bloggers Who Get Marching Orders from Obama Attack Protesters as "Astroturf"
Isn't it kind of ironic and disingenuous for a party and president to complain about "organizing" and pooling resources to get "information" out to the public?

Isn't that what obama's own campaign did so successfully?

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Last month, President Obama held a conference call with a small group of liberal bloggers, asking them to keep pressure on Congress in the health care fight. Now those same bloggers are part of an orchestrated effort by the Democratic Party and the White House to portray protests against their health care legislation as, well, orchestrated.

"It is important just to keep the pressure on members of Congress because what happens is there is a default position of inertia here in Washington," Obama instructed the bloggers last month. "And pushing against that, making sure that people feel that the desperation that ordinary families are feeling all across the country, every single day, when they are worrying about whether they can pay their premiums or not... People have to feel that in a visceral way. And you guys can help deliver that better than just about anybody."
The cries of foul by the left and obama are amazing.

Tell me; what is the difference?
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:38 AM
 
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Default "these people"

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You dont' understand what is occuring at these "meetings" do you?

The congressmen aren't being given the CHANCE to respond. They are being talked over whenever they attempt to respond... Maybe if these people would say their peace, and THEN give the congressman a chance to address it, we could have town hall meetings and actually DISCUSSIONS on the plan, but no...... THAT isn't what the Right wants here... They want to squash all discussion on the issue.
yeah sure, whatever floats your boat.... like a "discussion" you may have with a used car sales clown.

the vast right wing conspiracy has heard enough of these democrat madoff scams designed to separate normal people from their freedom and money.

Kinda funny how the left now has their panties in a wad over the right using democrat debate tactics... ha ha ha.

so whine all you want, you wonderfully fair democrats.
because frankly, we on the right don't give a damn

oh and PS: try referring to a person of color or a person of a different sexual orientation as "these people". Do "you democrats" have the stones to do that??
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:42 AM
 
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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Leftist Bloggers Who Get Marching Orders from Obama Attack Protesters as "Astroturf"



Isn't it kind of ironic and disingenuous for a party and president to complain about "organizing" and pooling resources to get "information" out to the public?

Isn't that what obama's own campaign did so successfully?



The cries of foul by the left and obama are amazing.

Tell me; what is the difference?
The difference is one group trying to get information out, and what group trying to stop information from getting out. It's easy to cover your ears and say na-na-na-na-na-na.... when people are saying things you don't like. It's rude to do it when other people are trying to have a conversation. It's better to actually challenge the things people are saying with actual facts, with a real argument. Chanting "just say no" is not putting forth an argument. It's attacking the process, it's an effort to shut people up instead of actually debating an issue. Do you want to be one of the people involved in the debate, or do you want to be one of the people trying to stop the debate?
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Chanting "just say no" is not putting forth an argument.
One incident out of many town halls.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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yeah sure, whatever floats your boat.... like a "discussion" you may have with a used car sales clown.

the vast right wing conspiracy has heard enough of these democrat madoff scams designed to separate normal people from their freedom and money.

Kinda funny how the left now has their panties in a wad over the right using democrat debate tactics... ha ha ha.

so whine all you want, you wonderfully fair democrats.
because frankly, we on the right don't give a damn

oh and PS: try referring to a person of color or a person of a different sexual orientation as "these people". Do "you democrats" have the stones to do that??
Do you want to be one of the people involved in the debate, or do you just want to shut the debate down? Do you have the "stones" to put together a rational argument, or do you prefer shouting down the people who disagree with you with simplistic chants? Do you want to challenge people to defend their points of view, or do you simply want to say that if their point of view isn't your point of view, then they're stupid? Would you like them to do the same to you?
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:52 AM
 
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One incident out of many town halls.
The recess is just starting, sanrene, so you said. These disruptions have been staged at more than one town hall meeting, as you well know. If these people want to stage a protest, they should absolutely do so. They can fly banners and hold rallies and put ads in newspapers and buy TV time. But just like when some liberal group hi-jacks a town meeting, it's wrong for a conservative group to do the same thing. Town meetings are important opportunities for a representative and his constituents to actually have a face-to-face conversation. And confrontation is an important part of those communications. Confront the Congressmen all you want. But respect the other people who are attending that have their own personal concerns, their own personal stories, and give them a chance to share those with their elected representative. Respect yourself enough to challenge the Congressmen with a real argument, not just with noise intended to shut down the meeting.
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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Dem congressmen starting to cancel Town Hall meetings

Good for them. Now the voters should return the sentiment and cancel the Congressmen's contracts at the next voting opportunity.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Dem congressmen starting to cancel Town Hall meetings

Good for them. Now the voters should return the sentiment and cancel the Congressmen's contracts at the next voting opportunity.
I'm guessing that the ones who would actually not understand why they did this are the same ones that were shouting at the meetings. Thus, I doubt they'll be losing any votes that weren't already against them....
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Leftist Bloggers Who Get Marching Orders from Obama Attack Protesters as "Astroturf"



Isn't it kind of ironic and disingenuous for a party and president to complain about "organizing" and pooling resources to get "information" out to the public?

Isn't that what obama's own campaign did so successfully?



The cries of foul by the left and obama are amazing.

Tell me; what is the difference?
Pretty simple... "Keeping the pressure on" includes many things, such as phone calls, emails, letters, and even coming to town hall meetings and asking questions....

"Keeping the pressure on" does NOT entail shouting rabidly at the congressman and not letting him speak....

Answer one simple question. Why do you think it's right to NOT let these congressmen respond in these meetings?
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:15 AM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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Dem congressmen starting to cancel Town Hall meetings

Good for them. Now the voters should return the sentiment and cancel the Congressmen's contracts at the next voting opportunity.
Doubt that'll happen.

Now the Democratic Congressmen will just return to Congress and vote for the public option, since the disruptors caused peaceful debate of the topic to be halted. The Congressmen will just vote how they originally intended to, since they weren't able to properly discuss the topic with their constituents, through no fault of their own. They most likely will not be losing the votes of the people who voted them in, since they'll be accomplishing what those voters wanted them to acomplish (healthcare reform/public option).

The people who'll be unhappy when all of this is said and done are the people who tried to stop the debate/discussion process from taking place. I guess they accomplished that, but I have a feeling they won't be happy with the end results of their actions.
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