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I was responding to the OP that just somehow "assumed" that I might be using illegal labor .. and that my industry doesn't pay as high as it used to.
The OP was/is wrong on both accounts.
I'll defend the industry and my ethical labor practices any day of the week.
The trouble with folks in this country is that they "assume" too much.
I agree.
Illegals should be dealt with. I also feel that economics will deal with it in time, as more and more Americans become hungry.
I don't think anyone accused you personally of using illegal labor.
But most sources do not agree with what you are saying here about your industry. I don't work in it, but I am around new construction sites all the time and I never hear a word of English from the workers.
It is widely reported that illegals have flooded the construction industry with the corresponding cuts in wages and opportunities for Americans. I hear a lot more of that that what you are reporting, so my inclination is to view your perspective as the exception and not the rule.
I agree with the OP that things are changing. It's a matter of the world becoming smaller, more populated, and more economically interconnected. We find ourselves having to make adjustments to this change just as we see that other (unnamed) cultures more grounded in past history also struggling (and resisting) changes to their own way of life. This is all a reaction to the same set of facts.
Previously less economically predominant countries are becoming involved on the worldstage causing more competition for jobs (Clinton signed Nafta btw), natural resources (gas), and increased imports to our shores from less well compensated employees most times. It is my opinion that the housing bubble was caused because people, faced with lessening or stagnant incomes as the result of Nafta, jumped onto this bandwagon as the only way left for them to easily produce personal wealth.
They say 'don't resort to protectionism' or you'll start an economic war. I'm not sure if the trend to globalization will stop till the majority of the third world comes up to a higher standard and further competes with us for scarce resources and jobs. The theory with those who push this is that when they do they will then be able to buy from us. In ways the competition has helped for instance in the making of better domestic vehicles. But I wonder just what it is that we possess that others will want to buy after all this restructuring? I don't expect that everyone will be living precicely like us but I don't necessarily think we will be living like we had either.
It is true that we can't control big business which is increasily becoming global and they will further evade control in the future due to their ability to move around. We already have thousands of formerly and esentially US based companies incorporated in the Caymans to avoid US laws and taxes. We also compete with companies from other countries who are tied together with their national governments. I'm not sure if this one world thing has such a good projection for us here. Nor am I sure if it can be stopped, and some argue should it be? It does appear clear that we will all lose some of our autonomy in the process, and that I don't like.
I don't think anyone accused you personally of using illegal labor.
But most sources do not agree with what you are saying here about your industry. I don't work in it, but I am around new construction sites all the time and I never hear a word of English from the workers.
It is widely reported that illegals have flooded the construction industry with the corresponding cuts in wages and opportunities for Americans.
And I agree.
But you might be surprised to discover just how many natural born Americans don't want to work in this industry. They leave me with the impression that they are better than everyone else and that they should be doing half the work for twice the money.
The labor issues with regard to this are not at all as one sided as the MSM would have you imagine.
Exactly! Didn't Reagan and the Republicans promise they would STOP future illegal immgration if they passed Simpson-Mazzoli? People have short memories. And 16 million people later- MOST of which snuck in under GW Bush- here we are again.
Has Obama done something to slow down illegal immigration? If not, you saying most came under Bush is only saying that Bush was there for 8 years and Obama only nearly 7 months. Somehow that sounds a bit partisan, itself.
Exactly! Didn't Reagan and the Republicans promise they would STOP future illegal immgration if they passed Simpson-Mazzoli? People have short memories. And 16 million people later- MOST of which snuck in under GW Bush- here we are again.
Multiply that 16 million by the fine that that law provided for employers who hired illegals and you get $160 billion. The thing is that if the $10,000 per head that the law provided should be charged had been charged there wouldn't have been that many of them come in.
I agree with the OP that things are changing. It's a matter of the world becoming smaller, more populated, and more economically interconnected. We find ourselves having to make adjustments to this change just as we see that other (unnamed) cultures more grounded in past history also struggling (and resisting) changes to their own way of life. This is all a reaction to the same set of facts.
Previously less economically predominant countries are becoming involved on the worldstage causing more competition for jobs (Clinton signed Nafta btw), natural resources (gas), and increased imports to our shores from less well compensated employees most times. It is my opinion that the housing bubble was caused because people, faced with lessening or stagnant incomes as the result of Nafta, jumped onto this bandwagon as the only way left for them to easily produce personal wealth.
They say 'don't resort to protectionism' or you'll start an economic war. I'm not sure if the trend to globalization will stop till the majority of the third world comes up to a higher standard and further competes with us for scarce resources and jobs. The theory with those who push this is that when they do they will then be able to buy from us. In ways the competition has helped for instance in the making of better domestic vehicles. But I wonder just what it is that we possess that others will want to buy after all this restructuring? I don't expect that everyone will be living precicely like us but I don't necessarily think we will be living like we had either.
It is true that we can't control big business which is increasily becoming global and they will further evade control in the future due to their ability to move around. We already have thousands of formerly and esentially US based companies incorporated in the Caymans to avoid US laws and taxes. We also compete with companies from other countries who are tied together with their national governments. I'm not sure if this one world thing has such a good projection for us here. Nor am I sure if it can be stopped, and some argue should it be? It does appear clear that we will all lose some of our autonomy in the process, and that I don't like.
Good post and good food for thought.
I don't have much legal expertise, so I can't give details as to how it would be done. But I believe there are legal avenues with which we could deal with these despicable individuals that incorporate in the Caymans to avoid US law, yet intend to take full advantage of our market.
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I'm not sure if this one world thing has such a good projection for us here
I'm sure....it doesn't! For the last twenty some years it has been a race to the bottom of the wage scale. We will never be the same again unless we reject this one world nonsense in principle and pass/enforce laws accordingly. It has helped no one but the corporate elite and the politicians on their payroll.
Basically we are exporting jobs by refusing to take advanatge of out resource like no other country. From nuclear to oil we are exporting billions of dollars overseas to get the energy we need.I remember Carers speech in the 70's recession stating we would never agin be importing 40% of our oil as he promised on a major speech to the nation.Now the adminsitrtion has continued the decades long policvy of promising mirracle solutions that can ;';t be achieved for decades.Its reminds one of Hitlers promises of miracle weapons to win in the latter users of WWII. No other country takes this approach or believes it looking at crude contracts and their investment in production .
Our country has been ruined by the extreme right - and the extreme left.
I think not.
Here's why.
Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.
LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary
Is that clear?
Left = opposition to traditional authority
Right = support of traditional authority
So what clue leads us to know what "traditional authority or opinion" is?
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
What is AGAINST traditional authority or opinion?
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Most Americans would be surprised to learn that private property rights were abolished by voluntary enrollment into national socialism (aka Socialist InSecurity).
PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
If the government takes your property for public use - and does not pay just compensation - then you have absolute proof that you do not own private property anymore.
In case you were curious, there is NO LAW that requires all Americans to participate in Socialist InSecurity, nor is there any law that punishes an American who does not participate. It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude - legal slavery to the collective STATE.
(BTW - no communist nation achieved true communism. All admit that they have only reached SOCIALISM...)
COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.
SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary
Socialism and its cousin, communism, are diametrically opposed to absolute ownership by individuals. They will only tolerate qualified ownership, shared with the State, and you know who has the superior claim...
Stop paying your socialist taxes, and see WHO REALLY OWNS YOU AND YOURS.
So what "WING" is really flying the United States of America?
LEFT WING
(No alleged "right wing" / conservative dare utter that frightening thought - repeal Social Security and all the income transfer entitlement programs.)
American politics have been LEFT WING since 1935.
Welcome to the 'United Socialist States of America' - a wholly owned subsidiary of the World Bank and IMF.
Yeah..right, Jet. You can quibble about word definitions all day if that's your fancy and you can give a whole new meaning to the word "simplistic" by jumping from Social Security to the statement above, but most people know what I meant.
Yeah..right, Jet. You can quibble about word definitions all day if that's your fancy and you can give a whole new meaning to the word "simplistic" by jumping from Social Security to the statement above, but most people know what I meant.
And that is the problem!
Since no one really recognizes that both "extremes" are leftist, nothing will change.
To put it into perspective, can you "beat the devil", using devilish tactics, and win? Wouldn't your victory be for the "devil"? Can you fight evil by being more evil? Can you fight leftist eradication of private property rights, with more eradication of private property rights?
Of course not.
That's the whole point I am trying to make - fighting to change a leftist government by making it more leftist is futile.
The "conservatives" aren't right wing, if they do not oppose national socialism.
A REAL conservative (traditional values) would advocate the repeal of the Federal Insurance Contribution Act (aka Social Security Act of 1935); the repeal of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913; the repeal of the 14th amendment, clause 4, wherein the validity of the public debt cannot be questioned; the Fourth Coinage Act which demonetized silver (aka The Crime of 1873); end the perpetual "temporary" State of Emergency (begun in 1933), and repudiate the 11.5 trillion impossible to pay 'national debt'. And he must either abhor usury or no longer allow use of the courts to enforce any contracts for usury.
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Yeah..right, Jet. You can quibble about word definitions all day if that's your fancy and you can give a whole new meaning to the word "simplistic" by jumping from Social Security to the statement above, but most people know what I meant.
