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The interpretation of the Welfare Clause isn't just my opinion, it is that of Madison (The Father of the Constitution). This was the way the Federal Government was run until FDR, LBJ, and now Obama. And of course even the so-called Republicans Reagan, and Bush I & II were big time tax/borrow and spenders too.
I guess, your opinion also includes the fact that one of the main duties of the supreme court, to interpret the constitution is unnecessary. I disagree. When you use quotes from people, make sure you also understand the circumstances. And if you do believe in everything the founders did was right, then what is your take on the corporate charters they implemented back then? Let me hear it.
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And as far as "life, liberty and pursuit of freedom", I always strive to rid myself of government oppression. And why don't you try to get the Messiah Obama to get out of at least one of the wars (rather than escalating it) or stop bailing out his Wall St. buddies.
You're not the only one entitled to your interpretations and desires. Your frustration with Obama as being elected the president is evident though and very amusing. You didn't forget to bring your immaturity to the discussion, again. I'd ignored it in your last post.
In an ideal world, I would bet Obama would love to pull out of both wars. We shouldn't have been there to begin with, but Afghanistan had been in the making since the 1980s... a BIG mistake from the era (the kind of mistakes we've made for eons now). What do you suggest, just leave the mess and have the soldiers run home? I bet that is about as far as you can think. And what do you think will happen to the region, to Pakistan, and growth of Al Qaeda, and the threats this country faces from them? May be, you will just pass the blame to someone else, just like you're used to.
Iraq? Shouldn't have been there to begin with. Where were you in 2002-2003? And now that we've created a mess, it is time to run without taking any responsibility, is it? These situations are not simply a matter of flipping the switch. Al Qaeda exists the way it does, for very similar reasons.
I'm for getting rid of both wars, BUT responsibly. Iraq has a time line now (the person you voted for, likely didn't), and Afghanistan needs to stabilize. You seem to be completely oblivious to repercussions of simply folding out.
But, may I remind you, this thread is about health insurance reform. To avoid distraction and obvious immaturity to have a discussion on the off-topic argument of yours was the reason I'd left it out in my previous response. Take this elsewhere.
Unfortunately you, like others on this shill-ridden board, resort to Ad Hominem attacks. Talk about immaturity.
And talking about Government spending is very germane to the discussion. In fact, it is central to the argument. We can't afford 2 wars, bailing out Wall St. to the tune of $23.7 Trillion, Medicare, Social Security, AND now yet one more unfunded government program. I am not sure if you noticed what our National debt is. We are broke. The only way this carcass of a country is going on is by looting people's savings through the devaluation of the dollar.
BTW I voted for Ron Paul. I don't support the American Empire. Obama is escalating the useless war in Afghanistan and we won't be getting out of Iraq until way after Obama is out of office, if ever. You can count on it.
And, since you brought up Al Queda...take a look at this:
Unfortunately you, like others on this shill-ridden board, resort to Ad Hominem attacks. Talk about immaturity.
May be that has to do with your use of terms like "messiah"? This is why I brought up immaturity.
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And talking about Government spending is very germane to the discussion. In fact, it is central to the argument. We can't afford 2 wars, bailing out Wall St...
Not all spending are created equal. That should be fundamental to any discussion on it. Or, do you not realize that there's plenty of wasteful spending (beyond the other issues) with the way health care access system works in America today? Picking just one example: Do you think it helps to use ER as regular clinics?
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BTW I voted for Ron Paul. I don't support the American Empire. Obama is escalating the useless war in Afghanistan and we won't be getting out of Iraq until way after Obama is out of office, if ever. You can count on it.
Like Paul, Obama was opposed to invading Iraq. Neither succeeded in getting the previous administration to stay out of it. The war happened. Obama is at the helm. If he were in-charge in 2003, Iraq war would NOT have happened. But he takes the seat in 2009, when Iraq war is real, chaos exists and the realization that things are more complicated than just flipping the switch. If Ron Paul were to be in his position, do you believe he would have simply folded and brought an end to both wars? I doubt it. No sane, responsible person would do that. We must pay for our mistakes somehow. Unfortunately, it is always at the cost of soldiers and innocent civilians, and their lives. Wars (especially Iraq) was my greatest fear when Bush took office. They happened. I did my part, opposing them, and wish we were in a position to end it today. But, reality is, we can't just close the chapter and move on. This country and its people lost it, when we declared the wars. Now, we should try to fix it by being responsible and bringing it to a close (and the approach can't be just running away fromit).
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And, since you brought up Al Queda...take a look at this:
AQ came up because you brought wars. It is at the core of these wars, for real in the Hindukush region, and faked association for Iraq.
I didn't read the link you provided, but just from the title, I would say, Bin Laden had some support here until 9/11 (one of the big reason, reminiscent of the 1980s), but he was certainly not considered an ally since Desert Storm.
Our biggest mistake... promoting radicals in our quests during the cold war, and then leaving them to rule and grow after it. We're paying for it now. In fact, Iranians are paying for it as well, for the coup we helped propagate to woo the oil industry in the 1950s.
American foreign policy has been a mess for at least a few decades. It can't be fixed overnight.
As a whole? You don't have to pick an option that you don't want. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Are you afraid that you might be employed by someone who offers only public option? In that case, the problem is yours, not anybody else's. Just go ahead and pay for your own private insurance and that is what you feel floats your boat (and it will, because this reform is more than just addition of a public option, and every person who opposes it, claiming private insurance works, will benefit too, unfortunately).
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It is hard for people to understand because of the well-organized and amply funded spin machine that has made sure that the uninformed are misinformed. Health care isn't in the Constitution? Neither did it confer the right to vote to women and people of color, but that was rectified for obvious reasons. The Constitution is a "living document," and many amendments have been added over the years. It seems obvious that health care is no less important than the ability to drink alcohol legally.
Bush's deficits were miniscule compared to obama's. $9 Trillion, just think about that. Bush had a deficit of $500 billion over 8 years.
BushCo cooked the books and you know it. If President Obama had chosen to omit the costs of the wars, as President Bush did, the current projected deficit would be much lower as well.
But it's okay, I'm sure you will all be happy as long as we continue to suffer like this family and so many others:
Sad story for sure. I have heart problems, have had multiple surgeries and would definitely be declined by an insurance company due to a pre-existing condition. I still don't look to others to pay for my problems.
I am honestly curious how a Universal Healthcare system can be afforded in the US given the Everest-size mountain of debt and unfunded liabilities, or an empire to pay for. The only solution I have read on this thread is raising taxes. Please explain to me how we are going to pay for such a system? I am not being belligerent, insulting, or diminishing your opinions in any way. Just please explain how we're going to afford it.
Sad story for sure. I have heart problems, have had multiple surgeries and would definitely be declined by an insurance company due to a pre-existing condition. I still don't look to others to pay for my problems.
Nobody should. But, if you were in a situation, where you got health insurance (either as an individual or provided to you by your employer), paid your premiums, were turning out to be an expensive customer... the insurance providers finds a way to purge your policy. Will you be fine? Or, do you support a reform that ensures a standard under which, beyond meeting certain criteria/approval, the insurance provider can't find additional reasons to refuse your payments?
In addition, if you're opposed to paying for someone else, would you say that your medical expenses have not exceeded the total in premiums you've paid into the system? If your expenses are higher, someone else has already paid for you. This comes with living and sharing things in a society (AKA socialism).
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I am honestly curious how a Universal Healthcare system can be afforded in the US given the Everest-size mountain of debt and unfunded liabilities, or an empire to pay for.
Health insurance companies are not in the business of running charities. They are in it to make profits. How can they afford it WHILE providing the services you seem to favor?
Government has to worry about mounting debt, however. They also cover the most expensive of all people for health cover (as in medicare). It is important for the government to take steps now so medicare and wasteful spending from the ridiculous spending, bankruptcies don't gobble up American economy in just a decade or so. You're missing the forest for trees.
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The only solution I have read on this thread is raising taxes.
Letting temporary tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to expire is not the same as raising taxes.
Removing loopholes for the rich to avoid paying taxes is not raising taxes, it is enforcing the purpose of the existing laws. Reagan did it to a good extent, with his tax reform in 1986.
And yes, these can, by themselves, pay for a major part of the expenses associated with the reform. Then there's attempts to reduce bankruptcies, preventative care, reduced wasteful spending that exists in health care system today etc, all contributing towards the costs.
But no, you would rather stick to the mantra until someone kicks you in the rear so you land back to the real world.
the Congressional Budget Office said the proposal to give an independent panel the power to keep Medicare spending in check would only save about $2 billion over 10 years- a drop in the bucket compared to the bill's $1 trillion price tag.
And you don't understand what is insurance. I am not even going to take time try to educate you. Is there anyone else on here that can answer the question "How are we going to pay for this?"
I guess I could get on board with that as long as employers raised their rate of pay since they wouldn't be responsible for so much of health care costs for their employees.
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