***Health Care Thread (part two)*** (2010, Arkansas, Kansas, Lincoln)

[amyalta]

Originally Posted by rso092

I would like to propose a very simple question for those of you who support a federal-level health care scheme.

What, if any, section in the U.S. Constitution allows this? If none, why do you support the federal government taking power away from YOU and YOUR STATE and attempting to concentrate power in Washington?

At the moment, decisions about your health care are in the control of your Insurance Company. Why should you favour them over the government?

I think it was Aviva who boasted that they paid out only on 25% of claims,

[amyalta]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Breitbart.tv » Obama in ‘03 (Uncut): I’d Like to See a ‘Single Payer Health Care Plan’



It is crystal clear, his intentions are to have a single-payer, as soon as they take back the senate, house, WH - all that has happened.


YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

"But I don't think we'll be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately" - meaning some day he hopes to do just that.

And good for him. A President to be proud of.

[TigerLily24]

but they don't want us to be allowed to make the same choices:


GOPers Decrying "Socialized Medicine" Go To Govt. Hospital For Surgeries

[RABBI JOE]

Listen to Mr. Reagan.


YouTube - Ronald Reagan on Universal Healthcare

He cared as well!

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by brianw13a

I agree that healthcare is a compassionate moral issue however I have to reject premise of the rest of your argument. Jesus would in fact help the less fortunate but Christianity is based on free will. Imposing a huge govt burden on people is not doing so through free will.

We're not talking about a religion here. We're talking about a society where people depend on each other. BTW, compassion is never conditional. You either have it, or you don't.

[Fred Derf]

Originally Posted by RABBI JOE

Listen to Mr. Reagan.


YouTube - Ronald Reagan on Universal Healthcare

He cared as well!

All of that stuff about not being able to choose your own doctor and the government telling a doctor where he can practise is just fear mongering. Reagan event went further to suggest a slippery slope where the government will tell your kids where to go to school and what job they will have.

Canada, and many other countries, have universal health care problems with a single governmental insurer and none of these problems have ever come to pass. Doctors are private entities that bill a single insurer and they can see just about as many (or as few) patients as they like. They can also set up their private practises anywhere they like.

[TigerLily24]

When you talk about keeping government out of your health care, think about how drug R&D is supported by the government, often at great cost for very little benefit, even though many support the development and usage of what turn out to be very ineffective treatments:

"And for those who think we should just dismantle Medicare, keep in mind that a lot of this innovation is predicated on people being able to buy these drugs with government subsidies. "


The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

[sanrene]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/03/he...er=rss&emc=rss

WASHINGTON — President Obama plans to address a joint session of Congress next week in an effort to rally support for health care legislation as White House officials look for ways to simplify and scale back the major Democratic bills, lower the cost and drop contentious but nonessential elements.

What are nonessential elements? Not too long ago, according to obama's own mouth, a public option was ESSENTIAL.



We must still stay vigilant - obama and the dems/libs are nothing if not slippery and treacherous.

[brianw13a]

Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost

We're not talking about a religion here. We're talking about a society where people depend on each other. BTW, compassion is never conditional. You either have it, or you don't.

Well I suggest that you go back and read the message I was responding to. That particular post was trying to use religion to point out how the conservative right were hypocrites. I was just pointing out how wrong that point was. In other words, have some idea about what you're talking about.

Whether or not compassion is unconditional was't the point. The point is how best to achieve a real, working solution - why does it have to be just another inefficient government program subject to political whims and special interests?

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by TigerLily24

When you talk about keeping government out of your health care, think about how drug R&D is supported by the government, often at great cost for very little benefit, even though many support the development and usage of what turn out to be very ineffective treatments:

"And for those who think we should just dismantle Medicare, keep in mind that a lot of this innovation is predicated on people being able to buy these drugs with government subsidies. "


The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

Also, think about this:

It is the government, e.g. the state board of nurse examiners, medical examiners, etc, that licenses health care personnel. Would you like to be cared for by unlicensed people just to keep the government out of your health care?