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Old 08-12-2009, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Does your elderly mother use government-funded health care?

If so, then why are you and she against it for everybody else?
My elderly mother was lucky since she managed to have her last "big one" in 1987 before anyone had decided what her life was worth.

I am very elderly now (76) and I am not looking forward to the day that Zeke Emanuel can help make the decision about how much I am worth just to keep me alive. I don't think you are willing to talk about what we old people are worth to those around us, but you don't realize that after we have moved forward enough you will someday be over 65, also.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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the author's right to freedom of speech is legally granted, not God-given.
I'm not sure you are right, girl. Our Constitution is constantly being changed but only dislike of God and his children stays as steadfast as it has been all this time. Our Constitution has only been in effect about 230 years but it is slowly being changed to fit liberal thinking and who knows when that freedom of speech will be removed.

This crap has convinced me in just 7 months to procure a firearm to use when THEY come after me for talking against the President and his group. I have been here almost 77 years and never felt the need for one of those things but I am getting there fast.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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At least you get to go to a Town Hall! When Bush and DeLAy were running things, did they have any Town Halls about whether we should go to war against a country (Iraq) that had never attacked us?? Where was that Town Hall??
That one was unneeded since even most of the Dems in Congress agreed that it needed to be done.

The present day town hall meetings were intended, so they say, to convince people that this new idea is the best way to go. The fact that they backfired has nothing to do with what was voted on in Congress in 2002.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Well, they're dead. Care to quote the Constitution as to a God-given right of free speech?
Girl, you just said what I keep saying about what is happening to the Constitution. I love what it created and don't think I would like what is coming after we completely forget about the founders since they are dead.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What does OT mean?

The OP stated that freedom of speech is a God-given right. I pointed out that it's granted by law, not by God. Someone else said the FFs would beg to differ. I asked for a quote from the Constitution proving so. Still waiting for that.

"tangential diversion" -- If you're this easily diverted, God bless you. Didnt mean to confuse you, but you dont need to answer every post
From some of the things you have been saying I am coming to think that you just read the little I gave and not the whole article. If I am wrong then I apologize but if I am not you need to read the article and then come back to us.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Agreed completely!! There is NO debate, only anger and fear coming from both sides of the political spectrum and I for one am sick and tired of it. I'm tired of seeing angry people yell and make things up to get their point across instead of being well articulated and WAITING THEIR TURN in discussions like we were all supposed to be taught in kindergarten.

On one side we have 'Dems' calling the 'Repubs' Nazis, then we have the Repubs telling blatant and obvious lies about basically everything. It's all about twisting words and making crap up for both damn sides. I can guarantee that all those angry yelling townhall participants havn't even cracked the bill open, nor do most of them understand it. Hell, I don't even understand much of it, but I'm not going to just make stuff up instead!

Just yelling Socialist or Commie isn't helping, and I'm hoping that eventually people will figure this out.

I'm really hoping that intelligent, articulate debates will start happening, but from what I see... it might be a while.
I saw a clip from one of the Specter meetings in which a man asked him why the amendments that had been proposed by Republicans to one very important part of healthcare were all thrown out by committees in both houses of Congress. Those amendments concerned not allowing government money for abortion. I was amazed that Specter waffled over that one when the man named all 9 amendments. Why won't those guys admit that as long as it is not specifically not allowed it can be done since there is nothing that says it can't. How in hell was that man supposed to be quiet when he had two large men on either side of him and he was just talking in a voice loud enough to be heard by Specter.

Lets hear some Democrat defense of why these things are dismissed out of hand without any debate. Thrown out on partisan votes. Yes it will be some time before things quiet down with crap like this going on.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Your mention of only the Constitution tells me too much about how close to complete atheist you are.
The law of the land is the Constitution, regardless of what the Bible may or may not say. If the Constitution granted the government the right to censor speech, we would have no freedom of speech. It's that simple.
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