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Old 08-12-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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"Young adults are disproportionately uninsured: they comprise just 17 percent of the under-65 population, but represent nearly 30 percent of all uninsured Americans."

Health reform proposals could help 13 million uninsured young adults gain coverage | Science Blog (http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/health-reform-proposals-could-help-13-million-uninsured-young-adults-gain-coverage-23776.html - broken link)

"Illegal immigrants represent about 15% of the nation's 47 million uninsured people — and about 30% of the increase since 1980."

Rising health care costs put focus on illegal immigrants - USATODAY.com

Almost one-third of the uninsured now live in households with annual incomes above $50,000.

Uninsured by Choice - Brief Analysis #379

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Old 08-12-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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More importantly, why do they not have insurance?

-Are they illegal residents?
-Are they young and forgo it for a new car?

^^^thats the majority of people without insurance^^^
What is your source? You?

Edit: You're sources do not back you claims.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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My wife could not get treatment for her gall stones as she no longer had cover in America ( Due to her company closing). She had them operated on in the UK, under the UHC. They had become necrotic and the specialist in the UK told her that if she had left them untreated much longer she would have died.
She is one of many who under the present USA system suffer and even die due to NO health cover.
I had mine taken out in December, 1975 and I didn't have insurance.

My total bill came to $6,500 which "what cost $6,500.00 in 1975 would cost $25,733.64 in 2008."

Tried to get help, couldn't and set up a payment plan.

Paid my savings of $1,500.00 to the doctor.

Set up payments to the hospital at $50.00 per month which today would equal $197 per month given inflation.

It took YEARS to pay this off but eventually we did without ever missing a single payment. I remember when my wife wrote the last check we celebrated.

If you are young, and in good health, health insurance is cheap in America. It is cheaper for you to purchase a policy on your own than suffer the added taxes it will cost you to get "free" government insurance. Understand?

As far as illegals go they should be excluded... they shouldn't be in this country and when they show up at a hospital they should be given care but immediately deported.

No libbies, I don't want to see anyone dying on the sidewalk like they do in Mexico.

If you are out of work then BUY YOUR OWN BRIDGE INSURANCE LIKE I DID. Got it?

Establish a government program for those unable to obtain medical insurance due to pre-existing conditions while mandating insurance companies seemlessly cover those with preexisting conditions who developed their conditions while insured. This is where insurance is broken, get a heart attack at age 40 when you have insurance and look out trying to keep it. I've been down this road and it isn't easy.

Those with preexisting conditions need to have a high risk pool available and this is where government is needed because it will be a money losing proposition.

Everyone needs to pay or we'll break the medical system that isn't broken right now. Our medical system is fine, it is the insurance that is broken.

Co-insurance $25 office visit for EVERYONE regardless of income.

Co-insurance $200 emergency visit for EVERYONE regardless of income. You don't like payint this" Then get a second job.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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What is your source? You?

Edit: You're sources do not back you claims.
Haha. Didn't like the facts, so obviously they must not justify my point.

From my articles. 13 million young adults age 18-29 do not have insurance. Should I find a source that finds out what percentage of young adults age 18-29 have cell phones? How about internet access? Would that make you agree?

From my articles. 30 million uninsured are illegal immigrants.

Thats 43 million right there.

Then we add on those that don't have insurance by choice. Easily you can see that my points are verifiably factual.

You can continue to argue your point against the provided facts, but can you seriously believe what you are typing or are you just carrying the talking point?
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Um. Look up one post. Yes they do.
The articles do not support your claims, only give you an excuse to draw conclusions. Your first article points out that many younger adults do not have health insurance. You conclude that it must be because they want a new car instead. You're only source then is YOU.

The last source you list is a conservative study group that is FINANCED BY THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. Think they have an agenda?
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:53 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I had mine taken out in December, 1975 and I didn't have insurance.

My total bill came to $6,500 which "what cost $6,500.00 in 1975 would cost $25,733.64 in 2008."

Tried to get help, couldn't and set up a payment plan.

Paid my savings of $1,500.00 to the doctor.

Set up payments to the hospital at $50.00 per month which today would equal $197 per month given inflation.

It took YEARS to pay this off but eventually we did without ever missing a single payment. I remember when my wife wrote the last check we celebrated.

If you are young, and in good health, health insurance is cheap in America. It is cheaper for you to purchase a policy on your own than suffer the added taxes it will cost you to get "free" government insurance. Understand?

As far as illegals go they should be excluded... they shouldn't be in this country and when they show up at a hospital they should be given care but immediately deported.

No libbies, I don't want to see anyone dying on the sidewalk like they do in Mexico.

If you are out of work then BUY YOUR OWN BRIDGE INSURANCE LIKE I DID. Got it?

Establish a government program for those unable to obtain medical insurance due to pre-existing conditions while mandating insurance companies seemlessly cover those with preexisting conditions who developed their conditions while insured. This is where insurance is broken, get a heart attack at age 40 when you have insurance and look out trying to keep it. I've been down this road and it isn't easy.

Those with preexisting conditions need to have a high risk pool available and this is where government is needed because it will be a money losing proposition.

Everyone needs to pay or we'll break the medical system that isn't broken right now. Our medical system is fine, it is the insurance that is broken.

Co-insurance $25 office visit for EVERYONE regardless of income.

Co-insurance $200 emergency visit for EVERYONE regardless of income. You don't like payint this" Then get a second job.
Amazing....... Why have a simple to use, easy to afford, for everyone health care system such as a UHC when you can have the complicated, expensive and BROKEN system that you have already in the USA?
The amount of tax paid by the young would in no way come close to how much more a private health insurance premium would be. The young do not earn big salaries and the tax payments would be low as the first certain amount of wages are exempt of tax.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Yellow Brick Road
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My wife could not get treatment for her gall stones as she no longer had cover in America ( Due to her company closing). She had them operated on in the UK, under the UHC. They had become necrotic and the specialist in the UK told her that if she had left them untreated much longer she would have died.
She is one of many who under the present USA system suffer and even die due to NO health cover.
You are saying you couldn't take out a private policy as I have had to do several times in my life? And as I have on my son right now?
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Did you have cable TV? Internet? .
Yep I said that in my post and before you say you could have ditched it - nope. I needed the internet for school because this was the time when teachers started wanting you to turn in papers on turnmein.com and all this other crazy stuff to make sure you weren't using recycled essays. Then my senior year most of my classes were online. I needed a house phone because I had a prepaid cell and so only used it in extreme emergencies. I didn't really need the cable but the bundle package was cheaper than just the internet and house phone.

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Could you have found a place for cheaper than 500 bucks a month? .
Not unless I wanted to live in a rooming house. $500 was actually considered a great rate for 2004 in Orlando. Most places were charging $600+.

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Could you have gotten rid of the car and taken public transportation or bike it? .
Nope. Part of the reason my apartment was so cheap is because I wasn't near any public transportation. I mean sure I could have gotten a bike and rode to the bus stops but my car insurance was like $80 a month & I was driving a compact car so gas wasn't even that expensive. The opportunity cost of buying a bike, a helmet and rain gear (Iím from Florida Ė you need rain gear if a bike is going to be your main mode of transportation) and the time spent waiting for the bus would have outweighed the benefit of saving money on insurance and gas. Plus itís not like riding the bus is free. In Orlando a 30 day bus pass will run you at least $30.

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Did you shop at Aldi or other types of cheap markets? .
Aldi wasn't in Orlando during that time - I shopped at Wal-mart. Can't get much cheaper than that.

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Did you have a cell phone? .
Already answered that.

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Don't get me wrong, I have been there. When I graduated college, I lived in a cheap apartment in a not so good area, had no cable or internet, got rid of my car, and shopped at aldi. I work a second job to make ends meet, but put the priority in my healthcare.
You know people say that all the time I did it so I know it can be done but your truth doesnít apply to everyone. I was already in school full-time and working 40 hours a week and at the time $10 was considered decent wage in FL (hell a lot of places still pay $10 in FL for office positions). There was no time for second jobs. There was no time for sitting around waiting for a bus to come. There was no benefit in driving to the other side of town to shop at the cheaper stores when thereís a grocery store on the corner (when you factor in the mileage, gas and money you spent on tolls youíd probably come out cheaper at the nearer grocery store anyway).

Iím not arguing with you personally but so many people try to push the agenda that young people are just frivolous and stupid and donít understand priorities or how to manage money, when thatís not the case. In my experience the ones who were frivolous were the ones who had parents paying the majority of their bills so they had the option to spend their money on toys and nonsense.

Either way my health was a priority too. There are resources available for people who donít have health care you just have to find them and be flexible. I got my annuals and physicals through the health department for about $60, I was on generic birth control, most of the antibiotics were free at Publix, got my teeth cleaned and a cavity filled at a local dentistry school for $10, got eye exams for free when the county offered them and got my glasses at a discount because I wasnít picky about the frames.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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Did you have cable TV? Internet? Could you have found a place for cheaper than 500 bucks a month? Could you have gotten rid of the car and taken public transportation or bike it? Did you shop at Aldi or other types of cheap markets? Did you have a cell phone?
i know you weren't asking me, but i lived as cheaply as i possibly could. no cable, no internet, shared an apartment with 5 other people (i paid less than $500 a month in nyc 10 years ago), no car, spent about $8 a week on groceries from chinatown, no cell phone.

in any case, people shouldn't have to scrimp and save to pay for something as basic and as important as health care.
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Old 08-12-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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Amazing....... Why have a simple to use, easy to afford, for everyone health care system such as a UHC when you can have the complicated, expensive and BROKEN system that you have already in the USA?
The amount of tax paid by the young would in no way come close to how much more a private health insurance premium would be. The young do not earn big salaries and the tax payments would be low as the first certain amount of wages are exempt of tax.
Because whatever country has a single payer system rationing and long waits come with it.

Americans will not stand for long lines and waits.

Want to see what a wait looks like? Go across the river to Windsor from Detroit. Better yet go across the river in November when they've run out of money and all the emergency rooms are closed until New Years.
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