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That isn't just a "George Bush" legacy. Anyone caught carrying a weapon in the vicinity of the president will at the very least be escorted away and detained. If said person acts aggressively, that person will most likely be taken down. I don't think that is a bad policy, considering how many people out there are just stupid enough to try to solve their problems with a bullet or a blade. They are the minority, but it only takes one to change things forever. So yes, I do agree with you, if someone gets close enough to possibly harm the president, they will be taken down. And for good reason. I believe the same applies to anyone put in harm's way. Usually, someone will try to help if they can. And since the president has a personal security force, he always has someone watching his back. And supposedly, they are willing to die for him. So, I'd say he is pretty well covered.
George W. Bush's "legacy" is suspension of Habeas Corpus (which is the ability to seek relief from unlawful detention) because the President deems you an "enemy combatant"
Only one of the toxic legacies left behind by Pres. Obama's predecessor .
1st -- An officer reported that Young had sneaked past a security perimeter and was carrying a pocket knife. A search warrant led to the discovery of a .380 Kel Tec semiautomatic pistol, with one round in the chamber, concealed in a bag.
2nd -- MSNBC showed video of a man with a holstered 9mm Smith & Wesson pistol strapped to his right leg.
The man, identified as William Kostric, was holding a sign that read, “It’s time to water the tree of liberty.” It was a reference to Thomas Jefferson's quote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Sorry, but I understand all too well. Patriotism is having the guts to stand for the freedoms and liberty provided for us all by our Constitution. This man was doing just that. Seems too many Americans have confused patriotism with servitude, thinking doing the will of your leader is a measure of your patriotism. It is not. In this country, there is nothing more patriotic than standing up for your rights and freedom. In this country, there is nothing more patriotic than standing up against views and ideas you don't think are right. Patriotism is not blindly following your leader, and doing whatever your government tells you. We are a country of leaders, not followers. So frankly, I'm sorry you don't seem to understand.
George W. Bush's "legacy" is suspension of Habeas Corpus (which is the ability to seek relief from unlawful detention) because the President deems you an "enemy combatant"
Only one of the toxic legacies left behind by Pres. Obama's predecessor .
Well, I am sure this "legacy" has been practiced for quite some time. The secret service doesn't generally treat suspected assassins with kindness. And if there is someone carrying a weapon within range to hurt the president, they have already given up their right to "Habeas Corpus" If you are going to talk about Bush, start a thread about his mountains of lies which resulted in an unjust war for oil. That's something I can really sink my teeth into. But then again, we have talked that to death already.
The first order of business would be to "...petition the government for redress of greivances" if one is unhappy.
If someone comes to me to discuss a matter, there is a very large difference in my perception if he meets me as a fellow human and wishes to talk, and if he comes in armed.
The two different approaches should expect very different responses.
If the President is nearby, the whole character of the "discussion" changes again.
Well, I am sure this "legacy" has been practiced for quite some time. The secret service doesn't generally treat suspected assassins with kindness. And if there is someone carrying a weapon within range to hurt the president, they have already given up their right to "Habeas Corpus" If you are going to talk about Bush, start a thread about his mountains of lies which resulted in an unjust war for oil. That's something I can really sink my teeth into. But then again, we have talked that to death already.
This legacy has not been practiced against an American citizen but one time, to my knowledge. It was not used with John Walker captured in Afghanistan, an American citizen. Even he got what he deserves under U.S. law, the right to a trial and legal representation. Two times under President Bush it was uitilized:
1) Jose Padilla
2) Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri
One was not an American citizen (but living in the U.S. as a Qatari national going to Bradley Univ.) , the other was an American from Chicago. I'm not entirely sure Padilla was charged as an "enemy combatant" but do know that al-Marri was.
Once deemed this you no longer have legal recourse to challenge your detention with legal representation. You can be thrown into a hole or a cage and they can throw away the key/ No visits or phone calls allowed
Sorry, but I understand all too well. Patriotism is having the guts to stand for the freedoms and liberty provided for us all by our Constitution. This man was doing just that. Seems too many Americans have confused patriotism with servitude, thinking doing the will of your leader is a measure of your patriotism. It is not. In this country, there is nothing more patriotic than standing up for your rights and freedom. In this country, there is nothing more patriotic than standing up against views and ideas you don't think are right. Patriotism is not blindly following your leader, and doing whatever your government tells you. We are a country of leaders, not followers. So frankly, I'm sorry you don't seem to understand.
Reads, the guy was a walking display of seething, grinning hostility, you must know that. He may have been doing performance art, but you know who he was "talking" to and exactly what he was smug about.
In all the words you've written about this guy on this thread, why is this the one element you dont mention?
William Kostric’s MySpace page also includes the following quote, in the “About Me” section:
“I would rather be ashes than dust! I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist.”
A nice quote. Although a perhaps a little disturbing in the context of a man who thinks it’s okay to bring along a gun when meeting the President, and who says that “perhaps a body count is required for a change.”
Unfortunately, the quote is from the novelist Jack London, who was… a Socialist. And so, congrats, Mr. Kostric. You spent your time on MSNBC whining and moaning about “Socialism.” You have, apparently, spent your whole life opposing “Socialism” in all its non-existent forms. And yet, the first person you quote on your MySpace page is… a Socialist.
relax folks, the "gun nut" was not a threat for real. less than sutle was his message, yes. but know that he was well watched by another "gun nut" there called goverment snipers. he would have never cleared the gun out of the holster. one shot, one kill. no exception. he had a right to open carry that I support. more should do it, honest men do not fear it. and the secret service(SS) have the obligation to carry as well.
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he had a right to open carry that I support. more should do it, honest men do not fear it. and the secret service(SS) have the obligation to carry as well.
