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Unread 08-12-2009, 09:45 PM
 
Location: OB
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And NONE of them would have covered her care. If you think I'm wrong PROVE IT.
My point Ken & who etcs was:

#1 - UHC will be rationed health care.
#2 - There will be a panel or doctrine deciding who dies, the death panel is not a myth, in some form or shape it will exist and they will decide if you live, die and if death then you are given an option to choose on your own recognizance gov't funded assisted suicide.
#3 - Choice. I'm not convinced that UHC will allow for a private sector. And if no private sector, #1 and #2 get much more worrisome.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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My point Ken & who etcs was:

#1 - UHC will be rationed health care.
#2 - There will be a panel or doctrine deciding who dies, the death panel is not a myth, in some form or shape it will exist and they will decide if you live, die and if death then you are given an option to choose on your own recognizance gov't funded assisted suicide.
#3 - Choice. I'm not convinced that UHC will allow for a private sector. And if no private sector, #1 and #2 get much more worrisome.
Whoever told you these things was lying to you. Read the proposed bills.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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Exactly! So private sector insurances do not do this at all, right?

Right? Right?!
Private sector insurances do do this but they allow doctors to submit studies/documentation to show that an "experimental" treatment might benefit a particular patient and that goes before a review board of doctors. There are times that "experimental" drugs/procedures have been approved. This will not happen under a government run health care plan.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:11 PM
 
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Yes I do say you are spinning it when you say that there will be no rationed health care and that death panels are a myth.



The thing is, with private insurance, I have choices and the ability to choose different providers. One may not cover, but another may at greater cost. With private insurance, at least I have more control over my fate/life.
Nobody's going to take away your right to have private health insurance.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:12 PM
 
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My point Ken & who etcs was:

#1 - UHC will be rationed health care.
#2 - There will be a panel or doctrine deciding who dies, the death panel is not a myth, in some form or shape it will exist and they will decide if you live, die and if death then you are given an option to choose on your own recognizance gov't funded assisted suicide.
#3 - Choice. I'm not convinced that UHC will allow for a private sector. And if no private sector, #1 and #2 get much more worrisome.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The problem is that you are making the assumption the folks that post this story over and over again actually CARE about the real facts of the case.

Silly rabbit.


Ken
Yeah, I should really stop making that assumption!
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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Private sector insurances do do this but they allow doctors to submit studies/documentation to show that an "experimental" treatment might benefit a particular patient and that goes before a review board of doctors. There are times that "experimental" drugs/procedures have been approved. This will not happen under a government run health care plan.
Why not? Do you have a link?
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:23 PM
 
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Why not? Do you have a link?
Why not? Because an efficiently run government health plan must set absolutes to keep costs down. As in, "the plan" will not cover "experimental" drugs/treatments. How much would the government have to spend to have a panel of doctor peers review the documentation submitted by individual doctors to ask for an exception to "experimental" drugs/treatments? It is just not going to happen. My source? Common sense and more than 30 years in the medical field.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:28 PM
 
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Why not? Because an efficiently run government health plan must set absolutes to keep costs down. As in, "the plan" will not cover "experimental" drugs/treatments. How much would the government have to spend to have a panel of doctor peers review the documentation submitted by individual doctors to ask for an exception to "experimental" drugs/treatments? It is just not going to happen. My source? Common sense and more than 30 years in the medical field.
Sorry, but your mere guess at what might occur isn't really sufficient. And plenty of doctors who've been in the medical field as long as you have not only support a public health plan, but would prefer a single-payer option.
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Unread 08-12-2009, 10:31 PM
 
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Sorry, but your mere guess at what might occur isn't really sufficient. And plenty of doctors who've been in the medical field as long as you have not only support a public health plan, but would prefer a single-payer option.
Why don't you ask about it at the next town hall meeting in your area? I am not a doctor.
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