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do you mean the cost of insurance, or medical service costs?
Medical service costs, the whole bit (drug costs, easier administration, economies of scale, tort reform, FDA deregulation, etc) - which will in turn results in lower health insurance, and then in turn enable more or universal coverage. I am willing to pay extra taxes up front for this, I am willing to accept some sort of universal coverage IF they can assure me we have a program in place, a working program, to reduce medical costs.
I just don't see it yet.
Actually I see this plan as being "the status quo" - the only component being it has a government run universal health care program (with staggering costs to be passed on to the rest of society).
We Don't Give A D*amn If The Uninsured Live Or Die!
Wouldn't this be the most honest Republican response to the healthcare issue?
Instead of fear mongering and inventing stories of how terrible the healthcare is in other countries.
Medicine as a whole is a crock, the way I see it. I'll be damned if I'm going to be poked and prodded for 15 minutes after waiting two hours to see some ***hole in a white coat who thinks he knows what's going on. Overpriced quacks. Lifesaving treatment? I sure as hell don't need it, nor want it.
Where are people arguing for the status quo? I've yet to see a sign saying that at any of these townhalls. They are against this specific plan.
The fact that people are criticizing the current plan, and not offering another plan as a solution, gives me the impression they prefer the status quo. From those of you opposed to the plan, let's hear a better one.
Medicine as a whole is a crock, the way I see it. I'll be damned if I'm going to be poked and prodded for 15 minutes after waiting two hours to see some ***hole in a white coat who thinks he knows what's going on. Overpriced quacks. Lifesaving treatment? I sure as hell don't need it, nor want it.
Nor do any of us, until we are really sick or injured. . . . preventative care and screening for known genetic diseases does make sense, if it can prevent disease, or treat it successfully if noticed early. I do think that everyone should be able to "opt out" of health care, if they choose, just so long as they "don't change their mind " when their health and their life are at stake. . . very "libertarian" of me, don't you think!
Why are you leaving out all the Democrats that aren't jumping on the bandwagon?
Could it be the plans under consideration just aren't the answer?
The hussein obama lemmings cannot face the truth or facts that many Democrats are also against this government take over of our health care. We ALL want medical care for everyone. What we do not want is something that will dramatically change our health care system FOR OVER 300 MILLION PEOPLE and dramatically effect our economy to be changed overnight by a bunch of Democrat thugs in our government that will not even read the d*mn bill and dismiss reading it as stupid and pointless.
WHAT'S THE RUSH! REALLY WHAT'S THE RUSH!
I do not have insurance. I would love to have health care but what may be good for me, may not be good for the country.
We Don't Give A D*amn If The Uninsured Live Or Die!
Wouldn't this be the most honest Republican response to the healthcare issue?
Instead of fear mongering and inventing stories of how terrible the healthcare is in other countries.
Its hard to take this seroius after lookig at the democratic house bill that removes care for seniors if some government counsel decides to deny older people care if they so judge.That looks like the old leave the old people out for the wolfs to eat them. This propoasl wasn't just one person; it is the democratic house bill from the democrats in the house with all their in put. Not one object to it by a democrats so far.Now that is rationed care without any doubt.Next thing you know they will propose kiling those that are handcapped by denying them service.
The fact that people are criticizing the current plan, and not offering another plan as a solution, gives me the impression they prefer the status quo. From those of you opposed to the plan, let's hear a better one.
Given that there are many complaints, there are many suggestions. One suggestion was to add an amendment to the current plan requiring people to demonstrate citizenship before they can enroll in the program. That plan was shot down by the House Ways and Means Committee. As a result, many people are opposed to this plan's loophole for illegals aliens. An alternative was proposed and it was shot down. Many people have suggested tort reform as a means to cut costs; that is not in the bill. There have been suggestions, and what has resulted is still a plan that's opposed by a large portion of the population.
Given that there are many complaints, there are many suggestions. One suggestion was to add an amendment to the current plan requiring people to demonstrate citizenship before they can enroll in the program. That plan was shot down by the House Ways and Means Committee. As a result, many people are opposed to this plan's loophole for illegals aliens. An alternative was proposed and it was shot down. Many people have suggested tort reform as a means to cut costs; that is not in the bill. There have been suggestions, and what has resulted is still a plan that's opposed by a large portion of the population.
Yes, there have been many many suggestions and many many plans. Many politicians, both democratic and republican, have devoted their whole political life to health care reform. Again - this plan IS the status quo, it "reforms" nothing.
Tort reform - not part of the plan
FDA deregulation - not part of the plan
Addressing nurse shortages - not part of the plan
Addressing unneeded testing - not part of the plan
Drug re-import for cheaper pharmacuetical options - not part of the plan (or, more accurately, bargained out of the plan by Obama in exchange for endorsement of the UHC package by Pharmacuetical companies)
Medicate negotiation with pharmacuetical companies on drug costs - not part of the plan (see above on Obama's "deal" with pharmacuetical companies)
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