Democrats admit that a public health option will lead to single payer (death, elect)

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by Glitch

Yes. An impossibility actually, because none exist.

France's doesnt work? Germany's doesnt work?

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by delusianne

France's doesnt work?

No, not really.

Germany's doesnt work?

No idea,post the particulars of their system so we can see.

[cap1717]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Just post a UHC system that works... is that too difficult?

Most Canadians are happy with their system, looks like that one works, most Brits are happy with their system, looks like that one works,
Most Italians are happy with their system, looks like that one works,
Most Scandinavian country citizens are happy with theirs, etc. etc. etc.

Now, if you want me to point to any system, anywhere, in any field that EVERYONE is happy with, you are totally out of luck.

Just because a UHC system is not perfect does not mean that it cannot serve the greatest number of people well! Some folks will always be dissatisfied with whatever they get, will require concierge type services, etc. . . they will be able to buy that stuff if they want it. . . same as always!

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by cap1717

Most Canadians are happy with their system, looks like that one works,most Brits are happy with their system, looks like that one works,Most Italians are happy with their system, looks like that one works,Most Scandinavian country citizens are happy with theirs, etc. etc. etc.

Now, if you want me to point to any system, anywhere, in any field that EVERYONE is happy with, you are totally out of luck.

Just because a UHC system is not perfect does not mean that it cannot serve the greatest number of people well! Some folks will always be dissatisfied with whatever they get, will require concierge type services, etc. . . they will be able to buy that stuff if they want it. . . same as always!

The purpose of the system is not to make people happy with it,but to provide good quality medical care....

The NHS is failing,that is acknowledged by the UK gov't,it will require the restricting of care to certain people.

The Canadian system has 60% of the people having supplemental insurance...how is that successful when you basically are paying twice?

[Lindsey_Mcfarren]

Originally Posted by pommysmommy

Still Not Convinced the Public Option is a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer? » The Foundry

The right is so busy comparing this proposal to the NHS, their NHS competes with private insurance. Why should it be any different here?

The reality is you don't want this because it was proposed by a Democrat, if a Republican had proposed it, you would be on board. The paranoya going on over this, the lies being told, the accusations that Obama is the anti-christ, make me dispair for America. Our country has become something I am ashamed of.

[cap1717]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

The purpose of the system is not to make people happy with it,but to provide good quality medical care....

The NHS is failing,that is acknowledged by the UK gov't,it will require the restricting of care to certain people.

The Canadian system has 60% of the people having supplemental insurance...how is that successful when you basically are paying twice?

So you wish to judge the "quality" of system by what standards? The satisfaction of the consumers is with any system is probably the best standard by which to judge such. . . what would you implement instead. . . and please stop arguing about what you believe "will happen" with this or that system. . . let's look at the current system and the way it has served it customers in the recent past, not doomsday "fantasies"!

so far as supplemental insurance goes, my sister has medicare plus a supplement plan, and she pays much less, for a much greater quality of service, than I do with my high deductible, high co-pay, employer provided plan, and even though my employer pays a portion of the cost, my out of pocket expenses for a plan that serves me only marginally, is much great than my sisters out of pocket cost for really excellent "government provided" medicare! I also face rising costs and decreased coverage each and every year I remain on the current plan (my employers choice, not mine), and really cannot wait to be elegable for medicare!

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by pommysmommy

Still Not Convinced the Public Option is a Trojan Horse for Single-Payer? » The Foundry

It's not a 'Trojan Horse" no matter what Insanity or O'Liely tell ya.

We want a single payer, government run health care system.

75% of us anyway.

[rayneinspain]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Actually it will be someone in accounting deciding such matters....just as with the NHS in the UK.

And it will be okay with supporters of such systems right up until it is THEM or THEIR loved ones getting shafted,THEN it will be a tragedy and an outrage.

I have come to the conclusion that the supporters of such systems simply want others to pay for them,it is based upon their own selfishness and has almost nothing to do with helping the less fortunate.

You just described the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

[oz in SC]

LM,I wouldn't be on board no matter who proposes it.

The NHS sucks at its supposed job of providing good healthcare.

So does almost every other system I have looked at.

If someone can find a UHC system that doesn't require most of the people to have supplemental private insurance,doesn't make people wait an inordinate amount of time for tests/care,that doesn't continually cost the people more and more money we just might be able to discuss this....

However it seems no system in place actually does these things.

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by delusianne

France's doesnt work? Germany's doesnt work?

Problem for the fringe is that they DO work.

So they must use the fact that most Americans foreign experience is limited to 4 days at an all inclusive on Punta Cana.

Ignorance.