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Old 08-15-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: USA
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Wow, you are one angry person.
I thought that too.

People should know and understand that the government has no business in our healthcare or in private industry.

They shouldn't even be arguing the details.

Obama firing the President of GM was enough for me.

He may have studied the Constitution, but he sure knows how to break it, the Law of the land.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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This is a start, the voices are being heard:



Senate committee scraps healthcare provision that gave rise to 'death panel' claims -- latimes.com

This is just a committee's recommendation, we'll have to see how far it goes.

wow.. great.

You know what you just lost.. a service paid for by the government to help seniors write out exactly what THEY want for the end of their life should they be unable to communicate their wishes.

Yeah.. real smart.. that was a great provision.. one that would put the end of their life in their own hands and the hands of the person they would have appointed as their proxy.

NOW>.they've taken that VOLUNTARY service away and left that decision.. SQUARELY where they don't want it.. beurocrats..

Shooting off their own noses for no other reason that ignorance of the bill and what it ACTUALLY said vs. what some right wing ass on the radio "claims" it says.. to get ratings nonetheless.

I guess the voice of stupidity won that fight.. but then watch out.. they are now getting what they asked for. Too bad they are too dumb to realize that it gives them exactly what they feared in the first place..
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:39 PM
 
Location: USA
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I guess so. But end of life counceling is actually a very very important part of hospice care. Obviously end of life is a very emotional subject and the whole purpose of this counceling is to determine how and where the elderly wishes to pass. there is nothing sinister about this in the slightest. its just a fact of life. humans pass away and our health care specialists will do the best to make the experience as comfortable and painless as possibile to the exact specifications of the patient. its better than not telling anybody how you want to go and they do something you dont want.
You're eliminating the money factor. Keeping people alive is extremely costly.

When the hamburger is cheaper than steak, the hamburger will be used. Make no mistake about it.

The government has no business being in our lives in an intrusive or controlling way.
The government has no place in healthcare.

The insurance industry may be cold blooded and cruel, but the government will do the same, and once they have healthcare, the big picture opens up. They will control almost everything in this nation.

Don't hand it over to politicians on a silver platter. You will regret doing so.

Read HB 1388 and don't think for a minute that volunteering is a nice idea.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But they DO get that it eliminates the poorer of us who wish to have end-of-life counseling....
If you end up in hospice care you DO GET THAT COUNSELING.
That is true today. My mother went into hospice care so I do know what I'm talking about.

What is it you think you are losing here ?
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This is a start, the voices are being heard:



Senate committee scraps healthcare provision that gave rise to 'death panel' claims -- latimes.com

This is just a committee's recommendation, we'll have to see how far it goes.
Unless the Senate puts it back on the floor it won't be there until they do.

The part of this one is that so many of the progressive thinkers are still wanting to believe that there was nothing like this in the House bill we are fighting over. If the Senate had it I am sure the House had it somehow, somewhere.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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If you end up in hospice care you DO GET THAT COUNSELING.
That is true today. My mother went into hospice care so I do know what I'm talking about.

What is it you think you are losing here ?

I just can't wait to see their faces, when they don't get unlimited access to healthcare.
This is like some guy waiting for his mail-order bride.

It is very sad, because the politicians will swipe at all of the big taxes they will impose on us, and they will be crooks and use the money, and we will not get full coverage.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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If you end up in hospice care you DO GET THAT COUNSELING.
That is true today. My mother went into hospice care so I do know what I'm talking about.

What is it you think you are losing here ?



By the time my father went into "hospice" care he couldn't speak (he was 54 dying of cancer) as he was about a week away from death. His wishes couldn't be expressed.. so end of life directive counseling than would have been ... well fruitless...
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I thought that too.

People should know and understand that the government has no business in our healthcare or in private industry.

They shouldn't even be arguing the details.

Obama firing the President of GM was enough for me.

He may have studied the Constitution, but he sure knows how to break it, the Law of the land.
He is supposed to have been an instructor in Constitutional law and it seems that he must have been teaching what the progressives want to be there if they can find a way to amend the thing. Look at the part of the Constitution about amending it and you can see that they may do it without us even knowing they did it because the media won't tell us till after it is over.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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If you end up in hospice care you DO GET THAT COUNSELING.
That is true today. My mother went into hospice care so I do know what I'm talking about.

What is it you think you are losing here ?
You get it IF your insurance executives OK paying for it.

I want UHC that will cover counseling. If we get UHC and end of life counseling is not paid for watch those Repubs get angry....
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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By the time my father went into "hospice" care he couldn't speak (he was 54 dying of cancer) as he was about a week away from death. His wishes couldn't be expressed.. so end of life directive counseling than would have been ... well fruitless...
That is your personal case. It was not in the case of my mother.
You are free to do whatever you want today; no one is stopping any American from doing legal work to put their wishes on paper; heck you can even get the forms in an Office Supply store.

Do you need the government to hold your hand and tell you what to do every waking minute ? Take some responsibility for your life here.
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