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Old 08-14-2009, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Oh, Those Death Panels

Posted by Amy Sullivan Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm

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You would think that if Republicans wanted to totally mischaracterize a health care provision and demagogue it like nobody's business, they would at least pick something that the vast majority of them hadn't already voted for just a few years earlier. Because that's not just shameless, it's stupid...

GOP Supported End-of-Life Counseling in 2003 Medicare Bill - Swampland - TIME.com
Did you read it? http://www.npaf.org/pdf/hr_1_enr.pdf (broken link)

It offers reimbursement for folks on Medicare if they choose to receive Hospice Consultation.

Quote:
SEC. 512. COVERAGE OF HOSPICE CONSULTATION SERVICES.
(a) COVERAGE OF HOSPICE CONSULTATION SERVICES.—Section
1812(a) (42 U.S.C. 1395d(a)) is amended—
(1) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of paragraph (3);
(2) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (4)
and inserting ‘‘; and’’; and
(3) by inserting after paragraph (4) the following new paragraph:
‘‘(5) for individuals who are terminally ill, have not made
an election under subsection (d)(1), and have not previously
received services under this paragraph, services that are furnished
by a physician (as defined in section 1861(r)(1)) who
is either the medical director or an employee of a hospice
program and that—
‘‘(A) consist of—
‘‘(i) an evaluation of the individual’s need for pain
and symptom management, including the individual’s
need for hospice care; and
‘‘(ii) counseling the individual with respect to hospice
care and other care options; and
‘‘(B) may include advising the individual regarding
advanced care planning.’’.
(b) PAYMENT.—Section 1814(i) (42 U.S.C. 1395f(i)) is amended
by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
‘‘(4) The amount paid to a hospice program with respect to
the services under section 1812(a)(5) for which payment may be
made under this part shall be equal to an amount established
for an office or other outpatient visit for evaluation and management
associated with presenting problems of moderate severity and
requiring medical decision making of low complexity under the fee
schedule established under section 1848(b), other than the portion
of such amount attributable to the practice expense component.’’.
(c) CONFORMING AMENDMENT.—Section 1861(dd)(2)(A)(i) (42
U.S.C. 1395x(dd)(2)(A)(i)) is amended by inserting before the comma
at the end
The bill also offered coverage for folks under going Hospice care who travel thru different Hospice areas, so their care is uninterrupted.

Quote:
SEC. 946. AUTHORIZING USE OF ARRANGEMENTS TO PROVIDE CORE
HOSPICE SERVICES IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861(dd)(5) (42 U.S.C. 1395x(dd)(5))
is amended by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(D) In extraordinary, exigent, or other non-routine circumstances,
such as unanticipated periods of high patient loads,
staffing shortages due to illness or other events, or temporary
travel of a patient outside a hospice program’s service area, a
hospice program may enter into arrangements with another hospice
program for the provision by that other program of services
described in paragraph (2)(A)(ii)(I). The provisions of paragraph
(2)(A)(ii)(II) shall apply with respect to the services provided under
such arrangements.
So you have no "Ahhhh HA!" moment here that I can see.
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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Did you read it? http://www.npaf.org/pdf/hr_1_enr.pdf (broken link)

It offers reimbursement for folks on Medicare if they choose to receive Hospice Consultation.



The bill also offered coverage for folks under going Hospice care who travel thru different Hospice areas, so their care is uninterrupted.



So you have no "Ahhhh HA!" moment here that I can see.
and your saying what? it still doesn't remove the fact that the GOP a long with boehner signed off on the death panels back in 2003...
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Dukester View Post
Oh, Those Death Panels

Posted by Amy Sullivan Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm

101 Comments • Trackback (8)


You would think that if Republicans wanted to totally mischaracterize a health care provision and demagogue it like nobody's business, they would at least pick something that the vast majority of them hadn't already voted for just a few years earlier. Because that's not just shameless, it's stupid...

GOP Supported End-of-Life Counseling in 2003 Medicare Bill - Swampland - TIME.com
Trig's mom did too.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the state of Alaska, do hereby proclaim April 16, 2008, as:

(thanks to bigthirsty in another thread)
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:49 PM
 
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Counting on those short memories. They have so little respect for their sheep -- but you cant blame them.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:05 PM
 
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Palin too, who would've thought? The lies that keeping frothing from her mouth are so republican like...
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:12 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dukester View Post
Oh, Those Death Panels

Posted by Amy Sullivan Thursday, August 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm

101 Comments • Trackback (8)


You would think that if Republicans wanted to totally mischaracterize a health care provision and demagogue it like nobody's business, they would at least pick something that the vast majority of them hadn't already voted for just a few years earlier. Because that's not just shameless, it's stupid...

GOP Supported End-of-Life Counseling in 2003 Medicare Bill - Swampland - TIME.com
So you're saying the


REPUBLICANS


FLIP-FLOPPED !!?????



I guess I was right....they spread the lies to bring down Obama and

OBVIOUSLY don't give a damn what it does to America..... how totally immoral and anti-American can they get????
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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So you're saying the


REPUBLICANS


FLIP-FLOPPED !!?????



I guess I was right....they spread the lies to bring down Obama and

OBVIOUSLY don't give a damn what it does to America..... how totally immoral and anti-American can they get????
Yes how ironic... The news just broke today so I am sure it will be flying around in the Bloggosphere over the weekend. Hold their feet to the fire I say...
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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and your saying what? it still doesn't remove the fact that the GOP a long with boehner signed off on the death panels back in 2003...
You are just trying to cover for being sucked into a bogus story, without researching it for yourself before running off to post it.

It is common knowledge that people, of all ages, receive Hospice care when they are terminally il, I know this because my mother received Hospice care. All this bill did was ensure that IF the person receive Hospice care that it was paid for.

That is a far cry from 0bamaCare empowering the federal government to determine what care and treatments "would be appropriate for eligible professionals to use" during end of life care.
Quote:
‘‘(3) PHYSICIAN’S QUALITY REPORTING INITIATIVE.—
7 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—For purposes of reporting data on quality measures for covered professional services furnished during 2011 and any subsequent year, to the extent that measures are available, the Secretary shall include quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that have been adopted or endorsed by a consensus-based organization, if appropriate. Such measures shall measure both the creation of and adherence to orders for life sustaining treatment.

‘‘(B) PROPOSED SET OF MEASURES.— The Secretary shall publish in the Federal Register proposed quality measures on end of life care and advanced care planning that the Secretary determines are described in sub paragraph (A) and would be appropriate for eligible professionals to use to submit data to the Secretary.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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You are just trying to cover for being sucked into a bogus story, without researching it for yourself before running off to post it.

It is common knowledge that people, of all ages, receive Hospice care when they are terminally il, I know this because my mother received Hospice care. All this bill did was ensure that IF the person receive Hospice care that it was paid for.

That is a far cry from 0bamaCare empowering the federal government to determine what care and treatments "would be appropriate for eligible professionals to use" during end of life care.
OMG. Another case of "yep I read it...sorta".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wapasha
‘‘(i) an evaluation of the individual’s need for pain
and symptom management, including the individual’s
need for hospice care; and
‘‘(ii) counseling the individual with respect to hospice
care and other care options
; and
‘‘(B) may include advising the individual regarding
advanced care planning
.’’.
It not only reimbursed for the hospice services, it reimbursed the COUNSELING.

Just like the new proposal. COUNSELING.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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Yes how ironic... The news just broke today so I am sure it will be flying around in the Bloggosphere over the weekend. Hold their feet to the fire I say...
Why aren't the repugs in here...or at their Republican leaders townhall meetings screaming and getting all violenty???


Oh, ya, it's all that FACTY stuff...
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