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Old 08-15-2009, 01:03 PM
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By your premise then Bernake has nothing to fear by opening the Fed's books. Congress has no reason to be against this either.
What they fear is the public's awareness that they're the pledged collateral on those books - the tallies of SocSec numbers that are assets.

Don't you get it?
- WE ARE THE CHATTELS.

What will happen when 300 million plus people who thought they were free realize that they've been lied to their whole lives, by their "public servants", the bankers, the lawyers, etc.?

(Image of steam blowing out the collective ears of 300 million people)
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Old 08-15-2009, 01:04 PM
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What they fear is the public's awareness that they're the pledged collateral on those books - the tallies of SocSec numbers that are assets.

Don't you get it?
- WE ARE THE CHATTELS.

What will happen when 300 people who thought they were free realize that they've been lied to their whole lives, by their "public servants", the bankers, the lawyers, etc.?

(Image of steam blowing out the collective ears of 300 million people)
Most Americans would blow it off and not even understand it.
Just look how hard it is to tell someone that $1 bill is not really money.
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Old 08-15-2009, 01:06 PM
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Most Americans would blow it off and not even understand it.
Just look how hard it is to tell someone that $1 bill is not really money.
Point taken.
Sigh.
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Old 08-15-2009, 01:49 PM
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Point taken.
Sigh.
Jet, I didn't mean to burst your bubble there. I meant that so few Americans understand how this works that auditing the Fed would mean nothing to them. A few though, are very interested in seeing how the Fed has operated since the bailout last year.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:13 PM
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As of Friday August 14, 2009, FDIC is Bankrupt

Colonial’s failure will deplete the FDIC’s deposit insurance fund by $2.8 billion, the agency said. The fund, which the agency uses to pay customers of a failed bank for deposit losses up to a $250,000 limit and is generated by fees paid by banks, stood at $13 billion at the end of the first quarter, according to the FDIC. The agency has set aside an additional $25 billion for bank failures, agency spokesman David Barr said.

Mish's Global Economic Trend Analysis: As of Friday August 14, 2009, FDIC is Bankrupt
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Nice.

Both my credit unions are 5-star. For what that may be worth.

Oh, unlike most banks around me, they aren't invading every other intersection corner, either. Yay.
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Old 08-15-2009, 10:37 PM
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Great article in economic terms this is called "Open Market Operations"

Just a quick basic econ trip

The Fed controls what is called "Monetary Policy."

The Feds main job is to maintain financial stability and price stability, through the control of the money supply

The Fed has a number of actions it can take to maintain control of the money supply

1. Open Market Operations in which they either Sell bonds to the public and foreign investors (This takes money out of the system or in other words they make the money disappear). Or Open Market Operations in which they issue new bonds (make money appear in the market)

2. Discount Rate - This is the rate at which they charge banks to borrow money (this has been in the News, because it keeps liquidity in the market etc and allows banks access to additional capital at an extremely low rate etc)

3. Reserve Ratio - This is how the Federal influences the money supply by creating money out of thin air (This works because our banks operate on what is called a fractional banking system. The higher the reserve ratio the less power banks have to create money out of thin air. The lower the reserve ratio the more power banks have to create money out of thin air)

Just as a side note the banks create money out of thin air through lending out money on deposit etc (not as complicated as it seems, but not worth going into on here, look it up if you want further review)


There are two ways our government pays for the programs we all crave and want.

1. Taxes - Fiscal Policy
2. Printing Money - Monetary Policy

Okay, so when government want to sneakily give you tax breaks or not raise taxes, to fund programs they cannot afford, they usually start to print money. The effects of printing money are initially positive, because an increase in the money supply raises, prices, incomes, and inflation, but many people do not notice the increase until well after the money has significantly brought us out of a recession etc.

I knew this was bound to happen there is a close correlation with inflation and an increase in the money supply. Typically an increase int he money supply is always followed by a sharp increase in, inflation.
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Old 08-16-2009, 09:28 AM
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We're losing lots and lots of jobs with the bank failures.

Why isn't the Government bailing out the banks? Maybe, individually, they are not "too big to fail" but collectively it seems they certainly would be.
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Old 08-16-2009, 10:31 AM
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We're losing lots and lots of jobs with the bank failures.

Why isn't the Government bailing out the banks? Maybe, individually, they are not "too big to fail" but collectively it seems they certainly would be.
My opinion here..they are letting the smaller ones go down. We'll be left with a few "big" banks. Now we have banks that are "really too big to fail".

The big ones are eating up the little ones. Just look at Wall Street as a good example. Lehman and Bear..both gone with their assets swallowed up by their competitors. Goldman Sachs is king of the hill now with little to no competition. Same with the brokerage firms..Merrill Lynch got swallowed up. All the big guys just taking the assets and letting the liabilities be dealt with in bankruptcy court.

Just like in the Great Depression, opportunities abound and if you have some money to spend you can make out like a bandit.

We'll end up with monopolies and fewer choices as the weaker businesses/corporations fall by the wayside.
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