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Old 08-15-2009, 06:28 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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There are posters on here who use the polls that say a majority of Americans do not want a UHC in America to imply that they are right.
When Bush went to war with Iraq he also had the overwhelming support of the majority of the American people in the polls.
Misinformation is why America went into a war that was costly in American lives. The American citizens were whipped up into a similar frenzy as they are now with the health system.
Misinformation from the right seems to be their strangle hold over Americans. They tell absolute lies to Americans who have no way of knowing if what they say is true or false. These scare tactics work and work well as the right know from the war in Iraq.
The health of every American is far too important for this same manipulation to work this time. If Americans fall for the right wings absolute fear of all Americans getting "THEIR" healthcare this could cost more American lives than even the Iraq war.
This is the Time America for you to create a health service for all Americans. You can do as you did in Iraq, let the right wing brainwash you into keeping a health service that costs American lives every year or you can look at the UHC models from other Countries have real discussions on health care reform and make your mind up from logic and not misinformation and right wing led hysteria..
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:48 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Default Yet another healcare thread! sigh...

Are you trying to rally people to irrational support for UHC just so they will go "against the right"? Is that good reason?

Congress voted for Iraq, so please be more objective. You are blaming concerned citizens for not trusting the government? Do you trust the government?

And, do you recall Viet Nam? the Left took us into a war that they did not intend to win, and lost far more lives.

It is time, finally, for people to analyze and evaluate what politicians are pushing, and that is what the right and so many of the American citizens are now doing.

No more trusting what the Government says. Question, question, question!

Please take a close look at the threads that have been posted, the issues that have people concerned, and don't tell me that there is no need for caution.

Let's not have another thread that bashes the American people for questioning their government. We've had enough of that from the administration, the politicians, and the media. We are neither left nor right, we are Americans and all of us want the same things in life for ourselves and our families - including liberty and the pursuit of health and happiness.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Dorchester
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According to all the lefties on this board, we were lied to in order to go to Iraq, so I really don't think you want to draw this parallel.
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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There are posters on here who use the polls that say a majority of Americans do not want a UHC in America to imply that they are right.
When Bush went to war with Iraq he also had the overwhelming support of the majority of the American people in the polls.
Misinformation is why America went into a war that was costly in American lives. The American citizens were whipped up into a similar frenzy as they are now with the health system.
Misinformation from the right seems to be their strangle hold over Americans. They tell absolute lies to Americans who have no way of knowing if what they say is true or false. These scare tactics work and work well as the right know from the war in Iraq.
The health of every American is far too important for this same manipulation to work this time. If Americans fall for the right wings absolute fear of all Americans getting "THEIR" healthcare this could cost more American lives than even the Iraq war.
This is the Time America for you to create a health service for all Americans. You can do as you did in Iraq, let the right wing brainwash you into keeping a health service that costs American lives every year or you can look at the UHC models from other Countries have real discussions on health care reform and make your mind up from logic and not misinformation and right wing led hysteria..

So how do you explain the NYT's endorsement of invading Iraq and deposing Hussein? We were duped on Iraq, in fact this righty/libertarian type was dead set against going into Iraq as the "debate" *cough* raged on 7 years ago.

I'd argue the propaganda coming from Obama and his folks is the EXACT SAME THING, which is why people need to be skeptical and vigilant. We keep hearing the same tired memes out of the White House about "The time to act is now...", and other propaganda which they're using to try and ram legislation down our throats the majority of Americans don't want nor need. Yeah, that's what they said about Porkulus, which has turned into a complete joke (as the betters of us predicted 6 months ago).


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Old 08-15-2009, 07:26 AM
 
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Are you trying to rally people to irrational support for UHC just so they will go "against the right"? Is that good reason?

Congress voted for Iraq, so please be more objective. You are blaming concerned citizens for not trusting the government? Do you trust the government?

And, do you recall Viet Nam? the Left took us into a war that they did not intend to win, and lost far more lives.

It is time, finally, for people to analyze and evaluate what politicians are pushing, and that is what the right and so many of the American citizens are now doing.

No more trusting what the Government says. Question, question, question!

Please take a close look at the threads that have been posted, the issues that have people concerned, and don't tell me that there is no need for caution.

Let's not have another thread that bashes the American people for questioning their government. We've had enough of that from the administration, the politicians, and the media. We are neither left nor right, we are Americans and all of us want the same things in life for ourselves and our families - including liberty and the pursuit of health and happiness.
Very well said.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:30 AM
 
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There are posters on here who use the polls that say a majority of Americans do not want a UHC in America to imply that they are right.
When Bush went to war with Iraq he also had the overwhelming support of the majority of the American people in the polls.
Misinformation is why America went into a war that was costly in American lives. The American citizens were whipped up into a similar frenzy as they are now with the health system.
Misinformation from the right seems to be their strangle hold over Americans. They tell absolute lies to Americans who have no way of knowing if what they say is true or false. These scare tactics work and work well as the right know from the war in Iraq.
The health of every American is far too important for this same manipulation to work this time. If Americans fall for the right wings absolute fear of all Americans getting "THEIR" healthcare this could cost more American lives than even the Iraq war.
This is the Time America for you to create a health service for all Americans. You can do as you did in Iraq, let the right wing brainwash you into keeping a health service that costs American lives every year or you can look at the UHC models from other Countries have real discussions on health care reform and make your mind up from logic and not misinformation and right wing led hysteria..
You are the first liberal to now admit that most people are against UHC... wow, you made some progress...
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:30 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Are you trying to rally people to irrational support for UHC just so they will go "against the right"? Is that good reason?
The "right" are trying to use this health issue to unseat Obama and get back into the Whitehouse. If they really wanted to reform health they would sit down with Obama and try to get a solution that would suit ALL Americans and not just the "Elitists".
The Irrational thing here is that the American public are being given complete B/S about a UHC so that the present system will just get a slight "tweek" . Irrational is fighting to keep a system that lets down millions of Americans every day.

Congress voted for Iraq, so please be more objective. You are blaming concerned citizens for not trusting the government? Do you trust the government?
Citizens were concerned after 9/11 and this made it easy for them to be manipulated by misinformation. This is happening now with some news media and reporters unsettling the American public and manipulating them with lies. I trust the Govt. far more than i trust the self interest corporations, banks and insurance companies.

And, do you recall Viet Nam? the Left took us into a war that they did not intend to win, and lost far more lives.
That was the Left then that were wrong and Right are wrong now now. I'm not saying either party is the chosen one but the Right is the party of the so called "elite" and they are the ones who DO NOT want Americans moving in on "THEIR" Healthcare.

It is time, finally, for people to analyze and evaluate what politicians are pushing, and that is what the right and so many of the American citizens are now doing.

No more trusting what the Government says. Question, question, question!
The American public are not asking queations they are being whipped up into frenzied, scared mobs. If they were not being pushed into hysteria by these B/S reports on a UHC for example, they would then probably look at the health issue properly and make their minds up from facts and not right wing propoganda and scare tactics.
Please take a close look at the threads that have been posted, the issues that have people concerned, and don't tell me that there is no need for caution.
I agree with you that there should be caution, lots of caution but unfortunately both sides are rushing into this feet first.
Let's not have another thread that bashes the American people for questioning their government. We've had enough of that from the administration, the politicians, and the media. We are neither left nor right, we are Americans and all of us want the same things in life for ourselves and our families - including liberty and the pursuit of health and happiness.
I agree this should NOT be about party politics but unfortunately that is what this has turned into. The Republicans are hoping this health issue will bring them back into prominence but that should NOT be the issue. The health of ALL Americans is the issue but it is being overtaken again by party politics. I blame the right for this mess because they are the ones i see blatantly telling lies about a UHC. The left has it's fair share of blame for this mess too but the right wins the "Gold medal" for turning what should be discussions into hate campaigns.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:33 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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You are the first liberal to now admit that most people are against UHC... wow, you made some progress...
In the polls...yes. Bit like the polls that said Bush wouldn't win his second term.
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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In the polls...yes. Bit like the polls that said Bush wouldn't win his second term.
We all take baby steps first... I am for health insurance reform but so far from what I read there is not much reform but more spending... sigh...
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Old 08-15-2009, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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According to all the lefties on this board, we were lied to in order to go to Iraq, so I really don't think you want to draw this parallel.
uh, that's exactly the parallel s/he is trying to draw... lied to by right, into Iraq = lied to by right, reject UHC
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