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lol
now there's some open-mindedness we can all believe in
good grief!
why are you so threatened if it is a fantasy?
Why so threatened?
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")
You do realize the framers said religion right? That includes Buddhism and Greek Mythology.
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Originally Posted by LogicWings
Nope. No religion in the schools. Yes, the Bible has been constantly referenced by major literary works, primarily from Milton on. After all, how can one talk about "Paradise Lost" without referencing the Bible? And in the discussion of those literary texts, the influence of the Bible should certainly be discussed. But a class on the Bible itself is a class of religious instruction--NOT acceptable in the public schools.
Benjamin RushSigner of the Declaration of Independence
"The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
"By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. . . . It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. . . . All systems of religion, morals, and government not founded upon it [the Bible] must perish, and how consoling the thought, it will not only survive the wreck of these systems but the world itself."
Fisher Ames Framer of the First Amendment
Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
They should also teach Unitarianism. Also it would be great to learn from the Metropolitan Community church doctrine wouldn't it?
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Originally Posted by Donna7
We sure are. And since not all religion in the U.S. is Christianity and not all prayer is Christian-based, then I'm sure that you're fine with the teaching of Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastroism, Wicca, and the hundreds of other religions that we have in the U.S. If Christianity is offered, then so should all the other predominant religions in our country. Remember, this is a PUBLIC school and the PUBLIC in the U.S. subscribes to various religions, not just Christianity. Furthermore, there are more bibles than just the "Christian" bible.
No, I don't want your brand of Christianity forced down my kids throats. My kids go to a Catholic parochial school because we wish the Catholic doctrine to be taught. I'm not interested in fundamentalist, bible-thumpers in Texas teaching my kids about Christianity.
It's even sadder to make up some fantasy about life and what happens after death.
So I guess with out making up something you'd be"wandering aimlessly around"???
Well, I have no Sci-Fi ideas about what happens after death and I've never wandered aimlessly around....how do you form that conclusion???????
Well..I guess for you its kinda like sex without ever reaching an orgasm....you have no purpose, nothing to believe in, no reason to have any moral basis at all..so like I said..its pretty sad..and no..those of us who are spiritual do not need to make up fantasies as to why we are here and what our purpose is..we already know...
Well..I guess for you its kinda like sex without ever reaching an orgasm....you have no purpose, nothing to believe in, no reason to have any moral basis at all..so like I said..its pretty sad..and no..those of us who are spiritual do not need to make up fantasies as to why we are here and what our purpose is..we already know...
No reason to have any moral basis?
Uh...let me see here. I am agnostic but lean atheist. I have NEVER done any crimes in my life. But I do have a moral basis but it is not off the Bible where they teach to sell daughters and beat up other people and horrible things said in it.
Well..I guess for you its kinda like sex without ever reaching an orgasm....you have no purpose, nothing to believe in, no reason to have any moral basis at all..so like I said..its pretty sad..and no..those of us who are spiritual do not need to make up fantasies as to why we are here and what our purpose is..we already know...
It's wonderful that you have a faith. But is it a requirement of your faith to dismiss and insult people that don't share your faith? People who don't believe in an afterlife can still find purpose to this life. People who don't believe in a god can still believe in other things. People who don't have a religion can still have a very strong sense of morality.
I realize that when people who don't share your beliefs make remarks that your beliefs are fantasy, they are also being insulting. Whatever their beliefs, they should have respect for yours. And vice versa.
And I feel that a non-believer would not be able to truly teach the significance of the Bible to believers. In order to trult teach how the Bible has impacted believers lives I feel you must be a believer.
This is what church is for. If this is a course, elective at that, it ought to just be about the book itself and not about religion. This course presumably will have believers and NON believers in attendance. If it is taught TO believers, then what is the difference between this course and church?
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