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If the government is going to take you into their custody, then they have the obligation to protect your safety. Prison should not be a nice place. I think prisoners should have to work to pay society. However, we should not be forcing people to be victims of crime because we allow other criminals to continue to commit the same crimes that we're punishing them for.
A fair post and I admit that your points are in fact valid. That said our corrections officers are not allowed to use the force required to control the violent offenders. They are under staffed, not armed well enough, and the rules of engagement make enforcement of law nearly imposssible.
The problem is in the endeavor to (rehabilitate) (which is a pipe dream) . You can't rehabilitate someone who thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong.
Thank you. Now we're getting somewhere.
As to what do we do? I don't pretend to have any knowledge of how to run a prison day to day. But a few general points seem clear. First we're locking up too many people. Second, the most violent offenders need to be isolated from the rest of the population. And third, it baffles me that there is ever freedom for prisoners to roam within the prison population. I don't know how subjecting oneself to that kind of risk would ever be considered a privilege. Again, I haven't lived it so maybe there are things that wouldn't occur to me, and maybe it would be very difficult to accomplish in reality, but it would seem that simply keeping them away from each other would solve a lot of problems.
Divide the population in half. One half works all day, and the other half is the night crew. The population at the facility is cut by half and when they return from their 12 hours of hard labor, they just want to sleep.
I don't think they should have tv anytime they want in prison, I don't know if they do, but if they do they shouldn't. Just a designated time slot for tv. Also, we need more emphasis on REFORM. I was talking to a prison guard not too long ago and she says it's just the same people back in over and over again, we need more job training in prison. You have to give people a reason to want to get out of the cycle. One other thing, don't inmates get free medical care in prison? So nobody's complaining about that, but people are mad that people that can't get healthcare want to pay taxes so they can get healthcare? Also, yes, there should be more working in prison. I don't really know how they work either, but forced meetings would be a good idea, I know they have meetings, but I don't know if they have to go, about how their crime affects themselves, whoever they committed a crime directly against, and society. Really show them what they do, you know? I mean people need to realize that robbing banks and stores and stuff has endless effects on everyone. Yes, and violent criminals need to be more isolated from nonviolent ones I agree. If we don't try to rehabilitate exactly what do you suggest? We can't just throw them back out without an ounce of effort to try to help them see their errors. Also, I know people probably do this, but there should be groups that come in and talk to the inmates and ask them how they are being treated.
As to what do we do? I don't pretend to have any knowledge of how to run a prison day to day. But a few general points seem clear. First we're locking up too many people. Second, the most violent offenders need to be isolated from the rest of the population. And third, it baffles me that there is ever freedom for prisoners to roam within the prison population. I don't know how subjecting oneself to that kind of risk would ever be considered a privilege. Again, I haven't lived it so maybe there are things that wouldn't occur to me, and maybe it would be very difficult to accomplish in reality, but it would seem that simply keeping them away from each other would solve a lot of problems.
But those bleeding hearts say that isolation is cruel and unusual punishment...
The rules of engagment make any kind of enforcement nearly impossible.
My cousin was attacked by 2 inmates. He pepper sprayed one and used his stick on the other. One was armed with a knife. Yet he was taken to task not for the stick but the pepper spray because some entered the criminals mouth. This is the life of the corrections officer.
Some complained that the guards treat inmates like scum. Well guess what. The majority are in fact scum.
In my prison if I was the imperial dictator:
There would be no nice toys like olympic gyms, HBO, or airconditioning.
In the cielings would be gas heads to gas the inmates when they got out of line. A good dose of tear gas would do them some good.
They would be housed in a 6x6 cell solo.
Chain gangs would be implemented.
They would be given an option work on the chain gang or stay in the cell.
Only release from the cell would be for meals and a bi-weekly shower. Maybe is they stink enough they won't be trying to hump each other.
Sopunds terrible but these are animals that walk upright. Nothing more nothing less.
Ok answer couple things.Have a person just get out of prison.Would you rent them a place to live,would you give them a Job? Ok now why is it so hard to
rehabilitate them.Hey they did their time
Ok answer couple things.Have a person just get out of prison.Would you rent them a place to live,would you give them a Job? Ok now why is it so hard to
rehabilitate them.Hey they did their time
hillman
The answer is No to all the above. That is the price you pay for opting for a criminal life.
Once a thief?
Would you rent to a convicted rapist? What if your 16 yearold beautiful daughter lived with you and the apartment was in your converted garage?
Would you rent to a convicted pedophile? Your neighbor has young children.
Would you hire an arsonist?
I might hire someone who was convicted of a DUI or possesion.
Never a violent criminal.
The answer is No to all the above. That is the price you pay for opting for a criminal life.
Once a thief?
Would you rent to a convicted rapist? What if your 16 yearold beautiful daughter lived with you and the apartment was in your converted garage?
Would you rent to a convicted pedophile? Your neighbor has young children.
Would you hire an arsonist?
I might hire someone who was convicted of a DUI or possesion.
Never a violent criminal.
So your saying that nobody will change and they don't deserve another chance.Who are you to Judge,like I say they did their time that the state requierd of them.
So no don't give them the chance to be productive in socity and use Tax Payers money to house and feed them.Well then don't be bitching when you are doing this. Don't make no sence to me!
But those bleeding hearts say that isolation is cruel and unusual punishment...
The rules of engagment make any kind of enforcement nearly impossible.
My cousin was attacked by 2 inmates. He pepper sprayed one and used his stick on the other. One was armed with a knife. Yet he was taken to task not for the stick but the pepper spray because some entered the criminals mouth. This is the life of the corrections officer.
Some complained that the guards treat inmates like scum. Well guess what. The majority are in fact scum.
In my prison if I was the imperial dictator:
There would be no nice toys like olympic gyms, HBO, or airconditioning.
In the cielings would be gas heads to gas the inmates when they got out of line. A good dose of tear gas would do them some good.
They would be housed in a 6x6 cell solo.
Chain gangs would be implemented.
They would be given an option work on the chain gang or stay in the cell.
Only release from the cell would be for meals and a bi-weekly shower. Maybe is they stink enough they won't be trying to hump each other.
Sopunds terrible but these are animals that walk upright. Nothing more nothing less.
Lol!
I don't really have a problem with anything you said, except maybe that I would try to set things up so that the gas heads weren't necessary.
And, trust me, I'm the last guy who would be quick to judge a prison guard harshly. I can't even imagine all of what they must suffer, but what I can imagine is enough to win my respect and sympathy. That is a job that I could not begin to do.
There is no question that it is every bit the hell hole that you say it is. And that is why, if I'm hypothetically a guy who is a peaceful and harmless minor offender or a guy wrongly convicted, I would want to be damn sure that that those other guys - the animals who deserve to be there - were in prison!! See what I mean? They should not be allowed to torture and terrorize at will.
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