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Old 08-19-2009, 07:26 PM
 
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It is hard to find biodiesel refueling stations. Sure, fleet vehicles can fill up at their garages but average consumers will generally have a hard time finding anything other than standard diesel in any refilling station that serves the public.

Around here, local transit uses biodiesel or electric vehicles, taxis tend to use natural gas.
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:38 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Small regional bio diesel plants can spring up fairly quickly. One in my area, has a contract to supply the county with a certain amount. Anything over that will be made available to the public.

The new ULSD fuel is still much cleaner than what was being sold only two years ago. If the demand is there, the producers can supply the bio diesel, which is even cleaner still, and produces almost 0 emmissions.
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Small regional bio diesel plants can spring up fairly quickly. One in my area, has a contract to supply the county with a certain amount. Anything over that will be made available to the public.

The new ULSD fuel is still much cleaner than what was being sold only two years ago. If the demand is there, the producers can supply the bio diesel, which is even cleaner still, and produces almost 0 emmissions.
All true. Demand is the answer.
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Pa
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How do I go electric now? It isnt a viable technology as of yet. Seriously, answer that question.

Diesel, and the infrastructure to support it, is already in place. The technology to make it clean and quiet, is already in place, and in use, now.

$40K for something with a battery that needs to be replaced at a cost of $15-20K in a few years just doesnt cut it when half that much can be spent on a Diesel powered vehicle that will use 20-30% less fuel than it's gasoline counterpart. And live two to three times longer than the gasoline engine.
Not to mention how much longer it will last than an electric motor. Add to this the fact that you do not loose any functional space to a huge battery pack.
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:01 PM
 
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How do I go electric now? It isnt a viable technology as of yet. Seriously, answer that question.

$40K for something with a battery that needs to be replaced at a cost of $15-20K in a few years
Battery life on a Prius is 8-10 years and the warranty covers battery replacement for 8.
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Battery life on a Prius is 8-10 years and the warranty covers battery replacement for 8.
Diesel engines life is measured in the hundreds of thousand miles and the worn out engines can be recycled into new engines.
I like the prius but I like diesel power more. No lost space plenty of power and economical to drive. Some examples od clean diesel burners.
http://alternativefuels.about.com/od...esel-Vehicles/
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Why don't we have these in the USA? By the way when converted from KPL to MPG it got right at 32mpg a 4wd 4 door truck... Thats 12mpg better than my 2008 4wd tacoma.
Because of the US gov't....
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:29 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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Because of the US gov't....
Yep, It doesnt fit their agenda. Whatever that may be.

GM had great new small 8 cyl DuraMax slated for install in the 2010 light trucks, and was built specifically to be able to easily retrofit older vehicles with small block V8 gas engines. The gubmint decided Diesel wasnt the way to go, so the project was killed off, as was Ford's new light truck Diesel that I believe was also slated for 2010.

For some reason, they want us to keep burning gasoline, all the while telling us why it isnt a good idea to do so. Go figure.
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Yep, It doesnt fit their agenda. Whatever that may be.

GM had great new small 8 cyl DuraMax slated for install in the 2010 light trucks, and was built specifically to be able to easily retrofit older vehicles with small block V8 gas engines. The gubmint decided Diesel wasnt the way to go, so the project was killed off, as was Ford's new light truck Diesel that I believe was also slated for 2010.

For some reason, they want us to keep burning gasoline, all the while telling us why it isn't a good idea to do so. Go figure.
And they the Gov want we the people to trust them? If only 30% of vehicles were diesel we could just about end our dependence on foreign oil. Hmmm Maybe Bush and company aren't the only ones sucking up to big oil?
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Old 08-20-2009, 01:20 AM
 
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Petroleum based Diesel is not a solution, you'll just create demand for it driving the cost up and causing a glut of gasoline making gas powered cars more affordable.

The refining process produces X amount of propane, X amount of gasoline , X amount of diesel, X amount of motor oil, X amount of lubricants...etc.

Diesel fuel already has a healthy market in the US as any large vehicle already uses it. Also within the Northeast US it's heavily used for home heating.
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