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Old 08-20-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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I'm waiting for someone on the right to stand up and say "if a person can't pay for health insurance, they don't deserve it." That's what this comes down to, right? I don't know how some of you can live with yourselves. The town hall crazies yell about "death panels" choosing who lives and who dies, but it is really the right who thinks they can choose who lives and who dies. they would deny health care to some of the weakest among us. It really is shameful!
No, that is the clever little argumentive fallacy you create in order to lend support to your position. It ranks up there with being called "mean" when you remind someone of their responsibility and their consequences and it is often made by irresponsible adults and children who have not learned to stand on their own two legs expecting everyone else to pick up the tab for their lack of responsibilty. Nice try, though old and tired a rebuttal as it is.
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:33 PM
 
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No, that is the clever little argumentive fallacy you create in order to lend support to your position. It ranks up there with being called "mean" when you remind someone of their responsibility and their consequences and it is often made by irresponsible adults and children who have not learned to stand on their own two legs expecting everyone else to pick up the tab for their lack of responsibilty. Nice try, though old and tired a rebuttal as it is.
It is real to me.
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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Medicare works. It should just be made available to everyone.
I guess its easy to claim medicare works, if you want to ignore the tens of trillions of debt the program has

Medicare's deficit 7 times Social Security's - Politics- msnbc.com

Note the date, that was 2005, I seriously doubt the debt has gone down since then, but I'd love to be running a corporate government that gets applauded for debts and not credits, and the fact that people try to compare a corporation which HAS to have a balanced budget to governmental programs that are trillions in debt is just laughable..
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:51 PM
 
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How can he unite when the right is unwilling? The other side needs to be willing to compromise, too, and apparently they are not. I'm fine with "my way or the high way" at this point. The dems are in power because we elected them. Let's let them do their jobs.



But the reality is, they are not doing their jobs
they are screwing up, royally
they just said today that the "clunker program" will be pulled on Monday
The democrats high fived all over the place and now are saying, "we did not know it would be such a success"
good grief!
They now owe, or should I say, WE OWE, millions of dollars and the car
dealers are not getting paid.
No one wants to admit that, they want to yell are the people that dare
speak up about the bull shi* going on.
I have seen enough of Obama to know he can not find his butt with both hands, but I am not supposed to notice.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:36 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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So now its moral to violate constitutional law and moral to steal money from my pocket by threat of going to jail in order to pay those who do not wish to be responsible.

Man what messed up leadership we have in Washington...
That is what obama and his followers are all about, the reason they elected him. To steal from you and me and give it to bums who wont work and pay for their own healthcare.

Obama said he was going to change Washington, well what he forgot to tell those bots is he was going to make things worse, much worse.

Obama has no right to tell us what is moral and what is not. He needs to shut up and get out of the way and let the PEOPLE make those choices.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:55 PM
 
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I think it's a moral obligation, too.
A country is known by how it treats its least fortunate.

YES....AND ITS MOST VULNERABLE!!
There are none more vulnerable than that baby in the womb!
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Quit changing the subject. Is that what Jesus would do?
Seriously!

He wouldn't murder unborn babies! SERIOUSLY!

And I also find it laughable that folks like you and those on the left, just love to evoke the name of Jesus into a discussion when you want to make some moral argument on socialism. Normally the left even doesn't like his name uttered in public prayer!

But NOW....now you wanna pull the WWJD card??

That's rich!!!
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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“I know there’s been a lot of misinformation in this debate, and there are some folks out there who are frankly bearing false witness,” Mr. Obama told a multidenominational group of pastors, rabbis and other religious leaders who support his goal to remake the nation’s health care system.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/us...bama.html?_r=1
Of course it's going to be a 'moral obligation'. He's talking to a bunch of priests, pastors, etc.

His speeches target his audience; he's done this all throughout his campaign and is still doing it.
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Old 08-20-2009, 05:15 PM
 
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Where is his moral obligation to the people of Sudan or others that are dying evry6day. Does it stop at the borders?Moral obligation is usually the thing brought up when something has liitle reason or is losing ground which is the case here.
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Old 08-20-2009, 06:21 PM
 
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Obama's even risking going to church now to get some support? I think the poor guy is out of options.
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