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But don't ya know that if he didn't deliberately distort the message so he could 'take offense' at the remark, he wouldn't have anything to complain about?
I distorted nothing in Obama's statement. You, on the other hand, are twisting yourself through any number of contortions to avoid facing the fact that Obama's statement is racist.
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And with a lot of these folks, I get the feeling that's the only reason they are here - to constantly point out what they see as Obama's 'flaws' without ever bothering to even try to figure out what he's really talking about.
I know what Obama's talking about - he believes that if one is a white suburban executive, one should be paying a higher rate of taxes to support school systems other than one's own. Odd that Obama lets Chicago's multi-million $$$$ property owners (think Gold Coast, Mag Mile, Loop office buildings, etc.) off the hook for their full school tax responsibility. But then again, they have more political clout than the 'white' suburban executives.
ok, let's say for instance that there's a samoan lesbian football player who has an itchy nose.
have i just implied that only samoan lesbian football players can have itchy noses?
did obama also imply that only inner city kids can fail to care about making their streets safe and clean? isn't that classist?
that is where your, dare i say it, playing of the race card falls apart.
face it, he's talking about how E V E R Y O N E has a responsibility towards healing racial (and economic, and social divisions). he just used two random examples, just like what i posted earlier is a random example even though it specifies a lesbian samoan. "random" does not mean "non-specific".
all this stuff about how he thinks white people specifically should pay more taxes is bordering on nutty.
I may be in the minority, but as an Illinois resident who has actually worked with Obama in the Illinois General Assembly, I'm well aware of how racist he is.
Yeah, he's a racist. I believe that. You've worked with him personally and you know his feelings on race. Sure.
Just because a term is defined (I've seen that definition before) doesn't mean it's a legitimate term. I was just saying that I've never once heard that term used except by someone who was clearly showing their colors as a racist. Never once have I heard someone black use that term. Again, I am white, I did not vote for Obama (voted for Barr, a white man) and I do not support much of anything he's doing, but to call him a racist is REALLY PATHETIC.
You have to be pretty dumb if your only argument against the guy is "he's a racist socialist Nazi"...seriously, think before you speak. Also, I asked for the CONTEXT of that line. He was writing a book about discovering his black identity after ignoring it for very long. Millions of white people read that same passage and became die-hard Obama supporters, it's how he was elected. What makes you think that you're so much smarter than all those people and you can see his secret racist agenda?
Seriously, do you people ever really sit down and think about your paranoid fantasies and how RIDICULOUS they are?
So that's what you've got, eh? I take it all back. He's an evil racist and must be destroyed.
Thank you, sir, for giving me the clue I so richly needed.
But anyway. Back to the original post. Those quotes either don't exist or are taken wholly out of context, so they shouldn't be taken at face value. That particular forward is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest and isn't exactly something I'd feel comfortable quoting, regardless of how I felt about Obama. (With whom I disagree regularly, by the by. I just feel it's far better to argue policy than to try to break the man down with lies and half-truths. I felt the same way about Bush.)
Exactly. This website has degenerated because of these morons who aren't intelligent enough to discuss actual policies and the legal history behind them.
I don't agree with a lot of what Obama has done and plans to do. I have posted numerous threads on them. But what I can't stand is when people try to discredit him for such BS things like passages from his book taken out of context. Or even worse, from using his middle name or spelling his name with a 0. It's like 4th grade tactics. Then again, the people arguing about this moronic crap probably dropped out of 5th grade, so I guess it makes sense!
What do you expect? CarolinaBredChicagoan is getting a property tax break just like Obama and his Chicago pals and all the rest of the Chicago home and property owners (renters too, they pay the cost of the tax as part of their rent - landlords aren't eating the tax expense).
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Obama: "I think whether or not my children or your children will have to struggle with these same issues depends on what we do, and whether we take some mutual responsibility for bridging the divisions that exist right now. And I really want to emphasize the word 'responsibility.' I think that whether you are a white executive living out in the suburbs, who doesn’t want to pay taxes to inner-city children for them to go to school, or you’re an inner-city child who doesn’t want to take responsibility for keeping your street safe and clean, both of those groups have to take some responsibility if we’re going to get beyond the kinds of divisions that we face right now."
First of all, the 'white' is completely unnecessary in Obama's statement. It's race-baiting. The suburbs are very racially diverse and everyone knows that. Secondly, it's not the suburban residents that don't want to pay - it's the CHICAGO residents like Obama, Rahm, Rezko, etc. THEY'RE sticking the rest of the state with 30% of the Chicago Public School System's bill.
Clearly you didn't do well on the reading comprehension section of the SATs. He clearly is stating that all people should take responsibility, white people and those in the inner cities.
Again you go with the "race baiting'. It's only baiting because you bite, it's not baiting to someone who isn't a racist. The book itself was about racial identity, which is a very important issue for those who are mixed race.
You CLEARLY identify as white, so what's wrong with him looking within in a book and seeing both sides of his genetic makeup?
Yeah, most of America approves of Obama. So you're quite wrong.
I don't approve of him...but more than 50% of Americans do, so he's clearly not "too far left for most of America", he's just too far left for you.
Actually, a recent poll says that Obama's favorability rating has fallen by about 50% since he took office. And, no, don't ask for a link. I don't remember where I saw that.
Yeah, he's a racist. I believe that. You've worked with him personally and you know his feelings on race. Sure.
Why wouldn't I? Obama has previously had no qualms showing his feelings, but he did start censoring them more since the beginning of his presidential campaign.
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Just because a term is defined (I've seen that definition before) doesn't mean it's a legitimate term.
Oh, please. You just don't like the facts of the matter.
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I was just saying that I've never once heard that term used except by someone who was clearly showing their colors as a racist.
Wow - PLENTY of Obama supporters have hurled, and continue to hurl, the charge of racism at anyone objecting to Obama's policies right here on C-D forums. Where've you been? I guess all those Obama supporters are racists, huh?
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Again, I am white, I did not vote for Obama (voted for Barr, a white man) and I do not support much of anything he's doing, but to call him a racist is REALLY PATHETIC.
Obama pejoratively libeled a particular race. That's racism, plain as day.
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You have to be pretty dumb if your only argument against the guy is "he's a racist socialist Nazi"...seriously, think before you speak.
I said Obama was racist, which he is. I never said he was a Nazi. Your accusation here is baseless and ignorant, based on nothing but your own runaway imagination.
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Also, I asked for the CONTEXT of that line. He was writing a book about discovering his black identity after ignoring it for very long.
Which has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Obama's statement that white suburban executives don't want to pay for inner-city children to go to school.
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Millions of white people read that same passage and became die-hard Obama supporters, it's how he was elected. What makes you think that you're so much smarter than all those people and you can see his secret racist agenda?
I never said I was smarter than people who voted for Obama. I just happen to know more about him through years of personal experience, and I know that his racist statement disparaging 'white' suburban executives is a typical example of his long-held mindset.
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Seriously, do you people ever really sit down and think about your paranoid fantasies and how RIDICULOUS they are?
Obama's pejoratively racist statement is documented fact, not fantasy. I've already shown in this post that you have resorted to deluded fantasies. You've destroyed your own credibility by resorting to an attack based on nothing but your own imagination.
Clearly you didn't do well on the reading comprehension section of the SATs.
You would be very wrong about that.
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He clearly is stating that all people should take responsibility, white people and those in the inner cities.
AGAIN, because you seem to have NO clue - it is NOT necessary to restrict the responsibility Obama is talking about to the 'white' or any other race. It is EVERYONE'S responsibility. Notice how the income tax, property tax, etc., the sources that fund public school systems are race blind. Everyone has the responsibility to pay based on their income, their property's value, etc. Obama IS race-baiting by pejoratively singling out 'white' suburban executives.
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Again you go with the "race baiting'. It's only baiting because you bite, it's not baiting to someone who isn't a racist.
Look at the definition of race-baiting again and stop making things up.
The book itself was about racial identity, which is a very important issue for those who are mixed race.
I agree, but the book has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Obama's assumption that white suburban executives do not want to pay for inner-city children to go to school.
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You CLEARLY identify as white,
Really? Where did I identify that? You assume a lot when you actually know little, don't you?
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...so what's wrong with him looking within in a book and seeing both sides of his genetic makeup?
Where did I say there was anything wrong with that?
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