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Old 10-31-2009, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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would you say the same about ralph nader? he certainly gives obama health care a scathing review as well. i don't think that people can deny that nader has been an advocate for the little guy/ consumer for a long time.
Ralph Nader: ‘Between the Rhetoric and the Reality’ | Independent Political Report


I agree with Nader on this (from the linked article)

"The giant corporations and their trade lobbies want no real health insurance reform that will reduce their monopolies and profiteering. They want no renewable and energy efficient standards interfering with their massive waste, pollution and inefficiency. They want no reductions in the bloated military budget surrounded by the waste, fraud and abuse of what President Eisenhower called the “military-industrial complex” in his farewell warning to the American people".

and this

"Senator Max Baucus—a closet Republican masquerading as the Democratic Chair of the Senate Finance Committee, is working hand-in-glove with right-wing Republicans and the White House to craft a weak “bi-partisan” bill that keeps getting weaker as the corporatist Republicans sniff increasing weakness in the White House".

Watering down is as good as defeating for the corporate puppet masters.

And I agree on his comment that Obama is soft.........But I would say he's soft, only since he has to walk on eggshells between the half-truths and total lies that are brought up daily from those in the pockets of the giant corporations and those who have other agendas (and objectives) that have more to do with the complexion of the President.

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Old 10-31-2009, 06:18 AM
 
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For every Canadian who will tell you how bad it is up there (a handful), you will find 100000 Americans that will tell you how bad it is down here.
Rhetorical hyperbole.
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Old 10-31-2009, 06:21 AM
 
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That was a good article.
It was a dumb article that was more about Ralph Nader than about health care. Obama's having kept himself out of the role of policy point-man is what has gotten the nation this far. Nader sees that as wishy-washy. It is actually the means by which to get the Congressional buy-in that Clitnon in following a much more Nader-like path never came close to. Make them write it. Put them and their debates in the spotlight. Let them do the hard work and the heavy lifting that breeds an investment in seeing that effort brought to fruition. It doesn't matter in the end exactly what this bill looks like. Just as with the original Social Security act, the program we one day end up with will look very different from the one we start out with. What's important is that we get the general heading for this journey right and make some actual progress in that direction. This is exactly how all those other developed countries got to the more-successful-than-ours-is systems they have in place today. They didn't go from Point-A to Point-B. They simply started out. That was the critical step. After that experience and consideration were their guides, as they will be ours. Nader doesn't come close to recognizing the reality of what is happening.
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: 95468
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Default From A to B and back again, (andy)

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Stossel is all you've got.
That's good for a belly laugh.
Geraldo-II.
A Dismiss the source.
B Make joke/change subject.
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:47 AM
 
Location: 95468
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John Stossel is a self proclaimed Libertarian / Republican so obviously his reporting has always been biased. First of all Obama is not proposing a Government run healthcare system like Canada or the UK's NHS. The closest thing that we have to those systems is ironically the VA and their Government run hospitals & clinics. People in the US who have Medicare or Medicaid are free to choose from any doctor they want as long as they accept it. That is a single payor system and for the most part it works very well, the patient has the choice to choose which doctor or clinic or hospital and the Government pays the bill at a negotiated rate. The uninsured are the ones that get billed for $10 Tylenols at an ER and that is the reason why more than half of the bankruptcies in the US are for medical bills most people can't pay.
Once again Stossel is misleading because what Obama & Congress are proposing is not Government run healthcare.
Yep. This kind of source needs to be marginalized and dismissed.
Along with :
Progressive
Environmental
Feminist
And other activists too numerous to mention.

Anyone and everyone that has chosen a side and blindly defends that side.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:25 PM
 
Location: SC
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YouTube - Oh. Canada?!

You don't have to go by John Stossel. Just look at what the Candaians say(above).
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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That's not very many people. Try going to Avaaz.org and reading from the tens of thousand of real-time posts put up by people in Canada and the UK and other countries that have some form of nationalized health insurance coverage. The posts include both experiences with their own national health care systems and their impressions of the health care debate going on in the US...interesting...

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Old 10-31-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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John Stossel is such a fake.
He loves to condemn those who want to sue for medical malpractice yet he gloated about suing someone and bragged about how much money he received.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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YouTube - Oh. Canada?!

You don't have to go by John Stossel. Just look at what the Candaians say(above).

All paid by the Mackinaw Center.

The only thing truthful is that they were in Canada.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:02 PM
 
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Think they don't really draw names for primary care physicians in Canada or pull their own teeth in GB?

All made up from thin air?
I've always wondered why people from Britain had such
bad teeth - including the Royal Family.
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