Obama Screws Over Poland, Czech!!! (Marines, Kennedy, border, elect)

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

I'm sorry but I have had it with this president. I'm didn't vote for the guy but at the same time I wasn't completely opposed to him being president. I was 80/20 against him, but I have had it now with his stupid obama care and now he screws over Polska and Czech after we supported this country in everything for the last 20 years. The US's two biggest allies are UK and Poland and now he just wants to pull the Missile defense system after we agreed on the whole deal...BAD BUSINESS. I'm furious you have no idea.

There is no reason to do this now, what happens now. There is no upside to this. Now Russia thinks it has the upper hand and we pander to another nation. I'm all for diplomacy but this is a walk in the opposite direction. There is no reason to scrap this idea especially when the two sides already agreed and then Obama gets elected and says to hell with it we are scrapping the Missile defense system.

EDITORIAL: Obama jilts Poland and the Czech Republic - Washington Times

Obama Officially Abandons Missile Defense in Europe » The Foundry

BBC NEWS | Europe | Obama denies Poland missile vow

Missle defense has NEVER worked in real life.

You do know that?

[ovcatto]

And to think that I thought that Reagan had won the Cold War, and that being the case, why on earth would Poland need a missile defense... North Korea, Iran???

[Geechie North]

Saudi Arabia won the cold war- at least they were responsible for the collapse of the USSR- not the compensated spokesman occupying the White House at the time.

The Patriot Missle system was a total failure during the Gulf war.


And my sources in the game still tell me nothing has changed.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Geechie North

\The Patriot Missle system was a total failure during the Gulf war.


And my sources in the game still tell me nothing has changed.

Nothing's changed?

Betcha the price of ineffective systems has gone up. Gotta keep that corporate welfare going

[Geechie North]

Originally Posted by burdell

Nothing's changed?

Betcha the price of ineffective systems has gone up. Gotta keep that corporate welfare going

Now that is a very good point!

One piece of info: If you take the time to do the research, you'll find that AFTER we placed those Patriot batteries in Israel, civilian casulities went up.

The Patriots did just as they did in Kuwait: hit nothing, but the Scuds had a better probability of hitting human settlements in Israel than they did in Kuwait when they disintegrated in mid-air.

Just like they did over Kuwait.

And that's all I'd like to say about this matter.

[cobolt]

Russia was only miffed about the missle defense system because its deployment meant it couldn't bully former satellite countries: Poland, Ukraine, Georgia. Russia has been stepping up the bully factor recently regarding these countries, and would love nothing more than to stronghold them back for their seaports and various other natural resources. Ukraine, Georgia, and others would like to enter the UN, but they've been denied, and Russia is the greatest voice against this. Appeasing Russia isn't exactly a smart, diplomatic move. It may be in the short run, but in the long term, these countries are at risk, and ultimately, the United States. I know we're bankrupt and can't afford to defend other countries but we are engaged in a country's defense insomuch as it somehow affects the safety and national defense of the United States. I don't know what the fall out to pulling out of the missle defense system would be, but I don't think it could lead to anything good.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by burdell

Short attention span?

Immediately following "common defence" is "promote the general welfare"

HOW is that better done than by ensuring a healthy population?

Always first with the left, the insult.

To me promote is like a movie star "promoting" a product. It does mean manufacturing that product.

The government can "promote" many things that will help the general welfare, like not smoking, just say no to drugs, get an education, etc. it does not mean getting involved as they say, "getting deep into the weeds".

[big daryle]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

I'm sorry but I have had it with this president. I'm didn't vote for the guy but at the same time I wasn't completely opposed to him being president. I was 80/20 against him, but I have had it now with his stupid obama care and now he screws over Polska and Czech after we supported this country in everything for the last 20 years. The US's two biggest allies are UK and Poland and now he just wants to pull the Missile defense system after we agreed on the whole deal...BAD BUSINESS. I'm furious you have no idea.

There is no reason to do this now, what happens now. There is no upside to this. Now Russia thinks it has the upper hand and we pander to another nation. I'm all for diplomacy but this is a walk in the opposite direction. There is no reason to scrap this idea especially when the two sides already agreed and then Obama gets elected and says to hell with it we are scrapping the Missile defense system.

EDITORIAL: Obama jilts Poland and the Czech Republic - Washington Times

Obama Officially Abandons Missile Defense in Europe » The Foundry

BBC NEWS | Europe | Obama denies Poland missile vow

What does Poland need a missile defense system for? They have always gotten along well with their neighbors, there is no threat.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by cobolt

Russia was only miffed about the missle defense system because its deployment meant it couldn't bully former satellite countries: Poland, Ukraine, Georgia.

10 interceptors in Poland would mean diddly when faced with Russia's missile inventory. Russia doesn't project power in the region by ICBM. With Poland in Nato, Russia is not getting much traction there. Ukraine is too big to easily overcome. And Georgia was by no means an innocent participant in the latest kerfluffle.

Ukraine, Georgia, and others would like to enter the UN, but they've been denied, and Russia is the greatest voice against this.

Ukraine and Georgia are both UN members. If you're thinking of the EU or Nato, both Ukraine and Georgia have some issues to overcome in the human rights and democracy department.

Appeasing Russia isn't exactly a smart, diplomatic move.

Russia is a shell of its former self, but can compete reasonably well on the international scene in one area: Its military, particularly nuclear-tipped missiles. Why match an opponent where he's at his strongest? You could could outfit several armored brigades for the same cost, and that would be much more of a deterrent against Russian bullying.

Incidentally, Poland didn't actually want the missile defense system - the US had to pay the Poles to take it. With conventional military assistance.

I don't know what the fall out to pulling out of the missle defense system would be, but I don't think it could lead to anything good.

Meh. There are limited defense resources, and missile defense is a hugely expensive system to defend in just one dimension. The Maginot line worked as designed, but was easily circumvented and swallowed budget resources better used elsewhere.

[mwruckman]

If you think putting anti-ballistic missiles which are a threat to Russia in nations right on the Russian border is a good thing. Think again, Mr Medvedev and Mr Putin can counter this threat by putting Russian S-300 or the new S-500 missles in Cuba these are Russia's answer to THAAD and are quite capable of picking off any rocket launched from the Canaveral Air Station or the NASA Kennedy Space Center. They can also pick off spacecraft in orbit and a lot of our stuff flies from Florida and every few orbits comes with in range from Cuba when it passes over Florida. Since these missiles are defensive in nature and upgraded from missiles designed to shoot down aircraft they are just like our Patriot missiles we wouldn't have a leg to stand on if we wanted to challenge this action.