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Old 08-29-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by MIKEETC View Post
That would be 'acceptable', I suppose, if Hawai'i or the Phillipine revolted against our presence or attacked us, but what does Japan have to do with it?
Swinging our dicks around in someone else's face is why we got hit. The fact that they--or at least their unelected leaders--were vicious bastards does not justify such a reckless policy.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:27 PM
 
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We told them we had the bomb. They refused to surrender and vowed to fight to their death.
That is, as I've tried to point out, a lie. When we dropped the bombs the Red Army was pouring into Manchuria. They were willing to surrender on the single condition that we'd agree not to kill their Emperor. We didn't kill him anyway, but just to prove we could if we wanted, we blasted and burned an additional 120,000+ people to death.

Yes, bad, bad America indeed.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Swinging our dicks around in someone else's face is why we got hit. The fact that they--or at least their unelected leaders--were vicious bastards does not justify such a reckless policy.
Or being somewhere that the other guy wanted to take over? Like the Filipines?
How many Thousands of Miles are the Filipines from Japan? How many miles is Hawaii from Japan? So Either we have the most massive dick in history or your post is utterly without merit.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Pa
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That is, as I've tried to point out, a lie. When we dropped the bombs the Red Army was pouring into Manchuria. They were willing to surrender on the single condition that we'd agree not to kill their Emperor. We didn't kill him anyway, but just to prove we could if we wanted, we blasted and burned an additional 120,000+ people to death.

Yes, bad, bad America indeed.
Now that is not all together true and you know it. The Military was in firm control of the Japanese gov and actually tried to prevent the Emperor from surrendering even after the second bomb.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:32 PM
 
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I do not for second enjoy the fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians died. But that is why every nation on earth, including the United States, must weigh its decision to go to war.
You are so full of it, it is unbelievable. I don't know if you were in favor of the Iraq War--although most people like you were--but whether you were or not, I know damn well that you wouldn't consider your life forfeit because some warmongering pig decided to invade Iraq. If you would, you have no self-value whatsoever. And if you would consider your family's life forfeit, you're also a really treacherous piece of work.

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And it is incumbent on the civilians to control the military because it will not just be the military that bears the casualties.
True, if you are fighting against sufficiently sick barbarians.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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Or being somewhere that the other guy wanted to take over? Like the Filipines?
How many Thousands of Miles are the Filipines from Japan? How many miles is Hawaii from Japan? So Either we have the most massive dick in history or your post is utterly without merit.
How many miles is either place from Washington? Yes we did and do have a massive dick, one that's willing to screw anyone anywhere in the world.

Manila is 1858 miles from Tokyo. It is 7295 miles from Los Angeles.
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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How many miles is either place from Washington? Yes we did and do have a massive dick, one that's willing to screw anyone anywhere in the world.

Manila is 1858 miles from Tokyo. It is 7295 miles from Los Angeles.
Ah well .... I suppose that puts it squarely in Japan's sphere of influence
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:44 PM
 
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That is, as I've tried to point out, a lie. When we dropped the bombs the Red Army was pouring into Manchuria. They were willing to surrender on the single condition that we'd agree not to kill their Emperor. We didn't kill him anyway, but just to prove we could if we wanted, we blasted and burned an additional 120,000+ people to death.

Yes, bad, bad America indeed.
The first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima on August 6th, 1945.

The Soviet Union declared war on Japan on August 8th, 1945 with the state of war being effective as of midnight.

The Red Army offensive in Manchuria commenced on August 9th, 1945

The second atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9th, 1945
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Pa
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How many miles is either place from Washington? Yes we did and do have a massive dick, one that's willing to screw anyone anywhere in the world.

Manila is 1858 miles from Tokyo. It is 7295 miles from Los Angeles.
History 101 for those who refuse to read:
Japan was concerned about the fact that we placed embargo's against them for their acts of aggression in Asia. Japan felt constrained due to their absolute lack of resourses and felt it better to conquer their neighbors rather than negotiate trade deals. Japan was a growing power and could not sustain its growth on the limited resourses at their disposal. So Like many war mongers they took by force.
Japan being the xenophobic nation amoung Xnephobes could not stand the fact that its neighbors might have relations with western powers. They called what they did a war of liberation from the west. Did it matter to Japan that those countries they were Liberating had no desire for Japan to do so? Not at all. Japan was more P Oed about western powers having access to resourses that Japan felt was rightfully theirs due to what Continent they were on. Japan believing that all of Asia should be under their control.
Read at Dawn We Slept. It really does explain what brought Japan and the USA to war. It also explains the mind set of both parties.
Further more the book is filled with quotes from the personal papers of both Japans Ambassadore to the USA and our own to Japan.
By the way. In regards to the Filipines and Hawaii both peoples seemed to fine with our presence on the day Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.
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Old 08-29-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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Ah well .... I suppose that puts it squarely in Japan's sphere of influence
Compared to ours, um, yeah, it does.
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