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Old 08-30-2009, 06:19 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Forrest_Gump View Post
Who's doing the attacking here.... That would be you left wingnuts that do most of the attacking. When anyone on here that differs from your opinion offers facts it's deemed "not part of this argument."

I have never seen so many stupid, stupid people in my life.
Stupid would be those posters who are insulting Jamie Lee (or "hollowood types") for the words in the OP. It isn't her who wrote that, it's someone else enitrely. And anyone who bothered clicking the link and reading the source would know it. Since so many people decided to just skip that part and go straight to the basing it's hard to keep the thread on track or take anyone seriously. I mean, if you can't bother reading/understanding the OP you must be stupid, right?
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Old 08-30-2009, 07:33 PM
 
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I've posted my ideas several times in these threads. Frankly, I'm getting pretty sick of repeating myself.
Feel free to refresh yourself by coming up with some new ones then, because none of these is actually worth very much.

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First, tort reform. When an OB/GYN has to pay nearly a $250,000 per year just for one insurance policy, something's wrong. Who do you think pays that quarter million? Do you think it falls out of the sky? No, their patients pay it, whether it's in the form of cash or higher insurance premiums.
Malpractice insurance premiums are in insignificant contributor to overall health care costs. Even if tort reform were able to have an impact upon these premiums and every penny's worth of savings realized was somehow passed on to the consumer, there would be no noticeable change in health care costs.

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Second, drop the FEDERALLY IMPOSED barriers that prohibit insurance companies from offering plans across state lines.
What effect would you expect to have aside from creating a race to the bottom in regulatory standards as states competed either to keep or attract such significant employers into their domains? I believe the least regulated state is currently Mississippi, but whichever it is, why would a health insurance company in say New Jersey remain there when it could simply close there and reopen in Mississippi and escape all sorts of service obligations that work to the benefit of New Jersey health care consumers? Whose side do you claim to be on here?

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I've been saying those two things for YEARS - much longer than I've been hearing them from anywhere else. Malpractice insurance is very, very expensive, and the single biggest administrative expense that any doctor faces.
No, this would be true for high-rate specialties, particularly those practicing in high-rate states, but even an OB/GYN in Minnesota would have paid an average of less than $20K for malpractice insurance in 2005, hardly a staggering sum. High-rate specialties (og/gyn, internist, general surgeon, neurosurgeon, etc.) account for fewer than 10% of all doctors, so the headlines may not be quite so applicable to the general medical community as some might think.

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Another good idea that I heard recently was to offer tax incentives to doctors for volunteering their time at clinics.
Paid volunteers, eh? And will the IRS be sending monitors out to these clinics to be sure that the doctors are really volunteering all the time they say they are? Then again, how is this actually going to lower national health care costs?

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There are a LOT of ways to bring down the cost of access, and none of them involve the government getting into either the provision of services or insurance business.
The government isn't proposing to get any further into the actual provision of services. It is proposing to get into the way health care is administered and financed because colossal amounts of waste and expense that is not actually related to health or health care goes on there. These are the sorts of things that are going to have to be eliminated if privately financed health care is to survive as the dominant model in this country.

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But as usual, the lefties are maintaining their "it's my way or the highway" mentality, and don't want to hear anything reasonable. So much for Obama being a "uniter", eh?
That was Bush who was going to be a uniter, and Obama has made overture after overture to the right and been rebuffed at every turn. Some are beginning to tire of the process, and the right could eventually find itself sealed off and marginalized right out of existence if it is not careful. There were those who once railed against FDR as a Communist without ever realizng that the job he was about was saving capitalism from the clutches of Communism. There may be those today who vilify Obama as a destroyer of the private health insurance system without realizing that what he is offering is the last chance that will come along to preserve the private system. If reform should somehow fail now, the odds of a situation soon emerging that is crisis-like enough to fuel a sudden shift into an outright UHC system go way up. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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I don't care what the celebrity thinks. I do care what the response says.

And what it says is that Americans fighting health care are a bunch of greedy, hateful and/or ignorant babies, who think that the sky will fall if everyone has universal health coverage. It won't. It would be, in fact, an ENORMOUS relief and would be, in the end, no big deal on any level other than finally creating a humane health care system for the American people. Just like every single other industrialized nation in the world. The world stands by in stupefaction at Americans' fear and ignorance. The fact that 20% of the American public is so profoundly stupid, fearful and/or hateful that they actually believe the crap they hear on FOX television--via Hannity, Beck, et.al.--tells the world a lot about where this nation is headed.
You say that 20% percent of americans are profoundly stupid as a matter of fact,you are wrong I think its more like 50% or better, of americans are profoundly stupid and we think you are to smart for this country,you belong with the rest of the idustrialize countries where all the smart people are.this country became great despite smart people like yourself.I know a couple of very smart men they alone do all the thinking for a large and profoundly stupid population in cuba and venenzuela,but we dont like that here in america as stupid as we are we like to do our own thinking
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:51 PM
 
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You say that 20% percent of americans are profoundly stupid as a matter of fact,you are wrong I think its more like 50% or better, of americans are profoundly stupid and we think you are to smart for this country,you belong with the rest of the idustrialize countries where all the smart people are.this country became great despite smart people like yourself.I know a couple of very smart men they alone do all the thinking for a large and profoundly stupid population in cuba and venenzuela,but we dont like that here in america as stupid as we are we like to do our own thinking
No, sorry. It's about 20-21%. The same folks who just LURVE that psychopath Palin. And Beck. And Hannity. Same percentages. Mostly uneducated racists.

This country became great because of smart people, not despite smart people. The idea that anybody in that 20% right-wing fringe would have been capable of crafting a Constitution is laughable.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:12 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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I beg your pardon, I go out of my way to answer questions.
Only by asking loaded questions and refusing to consider answers that don't conform to your preconceived notions of what they should be. Truly biased.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:20 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Well, perhaps you missed a part of it, but when claims are made and then called, and the original claimant fails to offer any sort of meaningful support, or indeed when a question is asked and then walked away from, follow-up inquiries are not exceptional things.
You mean what you consider meaningful, with your ideas as to the answer the only thing you will consider? You are like talking to the liberal left platform on any subject. You consider yours to be the only way and disregard any other view. good job, comrade.


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As for intelligence, I don't know how many posts I now have in this thread, but at least very nearly all of them have dealt with correcting factual errors and faulty reasoning. If you don't see that as providing an intelligence upgrade, you might want to just put me on ignore, as I tend to get involved in quite a bit of that sort of thing, if only because these right-wing posters tend to offer so many opportunities to do so
Correcting factual errors? Errors in whose opinion? Yours and your looney left masters? You judge everything by terms that are fed to you by a bigoted and repressive group trying to control the entire country. Anything that shed light on you must be attacked immediately in an attempt to silence thought.

Intelligence upgrade? You mean further attempts to remake the world in your own warped fashion? You have displayed no hint toward the authority of you being superior (except in your own mind) and thus are not entitled to judge the intelligence of others. Another hint that you think yourself superior.

Trust the majority opinion: you are not superior, merely a mouthpiece for your masters with zero independent thought.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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Only by asking loaded questions and refusing to consider answers that don't conform to your preconceived notions of what they should be. Truly biased.
Just to point out that if one is as much as a reasonably intelligent person having had as much as a reasonably good education and enjoyed as much as some reasonably instructive experience with matters of the real world, then one will disagree with some statements made by some people NOT because they don't conform to one's preconceived notions, but rather because those statements are flat out wrong or stupid. Those who may rather routinely make such statements may not typically be able to recognize or appreciate this difference.
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Old 09-05-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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No, sorry. It's about 20-21%. The same folks who just LURVE that psychopath Palin. And Beck. And Hannity. Same percentages. Mostly uneducated racists.

This country became great because of smart people, not despite smart people. The idea that anybody in that 20% right-wing fringe would have been capable of crafting a Constitution is laughable.
I am soory I was talking about the very very smart people the one who want to control the population of the U.S.A [the communist,or the socialist] because they know better then the profoundly stupid people of ameica .and as profoundly stupid and uneducated act this would seem to theese very very smart people[comies or socialist] the founding fathers of this country would be hanging those communist in government right now . yes this country became great despite communist,socialist,marxist.I say 95% of americans do not want that type of government. call it for what it is,socialist health care and you will see 95% of stupid americans do not want that.
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Old 09-05-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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Average citizen? These are hate filled mobs orchestrated by lobby groups. I neither know nor care what these peoples real motivations are. They are often ignorant and racist and their foolish rants have little to do with healthcare and more to do with calling Obama 'Hitler' and lashing out at a world they can no longer feel comfortable in because a black man is in the White House.

They are a fringe minority that have hijacked American democracy in the same fashion as the neocons did in 2000 when they stole an election.

These mobs need to be put in "protest zones" a mile away from townhall meetings, where they can wave their pistols and Nazi signs to their endless delight. If they leave the protest zone have them arrested for disorderly conduct.

It worked fine for George W. Bush when he was President. Let's bring it back.
So sad that what you post is so true.....
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Old 09-05-2009, 09:12 AM
 
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I am soory I was talking about the very very smart people the one who want to control the population of the U.S.A [the communist,or the socialist] because they know better then the profoundly stupid people of ameica .and as profoundly stupid and uneducated act this would seem to theese very very smart people[comies or socialist] the founding fathers of this country would be hanging those communist in government right now . yes this country became great despite communist,socialist,marxist.I say 95% of americans do not want that type of government. call it for what it is,socialist health care and you will see 95% of stupid americans do not want that.
Stop it already! The running off at the mouth of Limbaugh speak can make a persons ears bleed. You people are so obviously ignorant as to the meaning of the words and labels you use. You throw them around like confetti. I'm so ashamed of a percentage of what this country has produced in its citizenry. You are very lucky that we have freedom of speech still intact in the USA as anywhere else they would have already shut you up for your insane ignorance. What is frightening, is that you are not even embarassed enough to realize that by saying 95% do not want a public option, you are making your lack of understanding and knowledge public and there for all to see. I'm embarrased for you!
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