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"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
You sure sound like one. Betcha luvs ya some war and torture too...
Not war, just a torture advocate. I did not agree with the invasion of Iraq or Afganistan. I would have just feul air bombed Afganistan.
Again, Christ was not a politician. He was a religious leader. Staking claim to a political party one way or another close to 2,000 years after his death is absurd. Keep in mind the Trinity- to assume actions and policies of Christ is to enact the same argument to God. I think that he judges us, not the other way around.
Comparing Christ to Obama, Manson, and David Koresh is dispicable. Faith is personal and there are some who believe, others who do not. That is your personal decision. However, the continual condemnation by the left of opposing views as "stupid" is somewhat tiresome and provincial in of itself. Such statements simply parody the "accuser" and make them look ridiculous. It is the same as calling everything, from a doughnut that one is not particularly fond of to an improperly colored fire hydrant "racist". Such statements make the author seem...........well, "stupid".
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I'm not in any way a religious person but it would seem to me that people who claim to be religious would believe in the availablilty of healthcare for all. Did Jesus say no to the less fortunate or did he heal them as well? Don't church members pay "tithes" 'cough' taxes 'cough' to the church which are used to fund programs that the entire congregation benefits from? Does that make Jesus a tax and spend liberal? Would Jesus have sided with corporations or the common man? Since the right widly throws the word socialism around as slander, please explain to me how this works. I know it would require a conservative religious person with common sense and the rare ability to tell the truth, so I wont hold my breath.
Jesus didn't advocate stealing from one party to give to another. He taught loving your neighbor and giving because it's the right thing to do, which Christians do.
This is just (another) cheap and weak attempt to discredit the conservative right, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You can't intelligently comment on anything about Jesus, as you admittedly have no knowledge of Him or His teachings.
Your attempts are pathetic and hold no merit to anyone, other than your far left brethren. You're not changing anyone's mind with your drivel.
I'm not in any way a religious person but it would seem to me that people who claim to be religious would believe in the availablilty of healthcare for all. Did Jesus say no to the less fortunate or did he heal them as well? Don't church members pay "tithes" 'cough' taxes 'cough' to the church which are used to fund programs that the entire congregation benefits from? Does that make Jesus a tax and spend liberal? Would Jesus have sided with corporations or the common man? Since the right widly throws the word socialism around as slander, please explain to me how this works. I know it would require a conservative religious person with common sense and the rare ability to tell the truth, so I wont hold my breath.
NO, JESUS WAS NOT A SOCIALIST!!! Why is it that you liberals think he was? The Bible does not teach that, and there is nothing in it anywhere that would suggest it. If anything, it is clear that property rights, profit, and charity (voluntary giving) were sanctioned.
Jesus healed as a demonstration of his power to prove he was who he said he was. Otherwise, why didn't he heal everyone who was sick? He didn't. He healed some.
This has nothing to do with healtcare! Besides, healthcare already is available to all. Give me a break!
Tithes are 10%. What's the current tax rate? And no, we don't pay "taxes" to the church! Tithes are "offerings" not taxes, and they are not only to support the church, they are for the church to use to help the "needy" (truly needy, not just anyone with their hand out), and do missions work. That is what a church does, to spread the Gospel.
Your post is so ridiculous on its face, it's barely worthy of a response.
Why is it that the (admitted) non-religeous always want to tell us what Jesus taught and thought?
NO, JESUS WAS NOT A SOCIALIST!!! Why is it that you liberals think he was? The Bible does not teach that, and there is nothing in it anywhere that would suggest it. If anything, it is clear that property rights, profit, and charity (voluntary giving) were sanctioned.
Jesus healed as a demonstration of his power to prove he was who he said he was. Otherwise, why didn't he heal everyone who was sick? He didn't. He healed some.
This has nothing to do with healtcare! Besides, healthcare already is available to all. Give me a break!
Tithes are 10%. What's the current tax rate? And no, we don't pay "taxes" to the church! Tithes are "offerings" not taxes, and they are not only to support the church, they are for the church to use to help the "needy" (truly needy, not just anyone with their hand out), and do missions work. That is what a church does, to spread the Gospel.
Your post is so ridiculous on its face, it's barely worthy of a response.
Why is it that the (admitted) non-religeous always want to tell us what Jesus taught and thought?
Show me where in the Bible Jesus said to fight against paying taxes. Show me where Jesus does not want us to use the government in an organized way to help the disadvantaged with their healthcare needs.
Your statement that healthcare is available to all indicates you have your head in the sand and use Jesus to justify this.
He taught loving your neighbor and giving because it's the right thing to do, which Christians do.
This is just (another) cheap and weak attempt to discredit the conservative right, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You can't intelligently comment on anything about Jesus, as you admittedly have no knowledge of Him or His teachings.
Your attempts are pathetic and hold no merit to anyone, other than your far left brethren. You're not changing anyone's mind with your drivel.
I'll ignore your low level attack on me and focus on the bolded comment. That's what I thought Christians were suppose to do? If you're Christian, loving thy neighbor should be a given as should the money you contribute to support all thy American neighbors. You donate to roads, schools, defense, elderly medicine etc. without a problem BUT not healthcare for all? Not very Christian to me.
I'm not in any way a religious person but it would seem to me that people who claim to be religious would believe in the availablilty of healthcare for all. Did Jesus say no to the less fortunate or did he heal them as well? Don't church members pay "tithes" 'cough' taxes 'cough' to the church which are used to fund programs that the entire congregation benefits from? Does that make Jesus a tax and spend liberal? Would Jesus have sided with corporations or the common man? Since the right widly throws the word socialism around as slander, please explain to me how this works. I know it would require a conservative religious person with common sense and the rare ability to tell the truth, so I wont hold my breath.
Well, bear in mind that Jesus did not need to go 9 trillion in the hole to fund his ...efforts, of healing the sick. Lol, he had a better method, being a divine being hath it's advantages. Thus, he could afford to ...spread the wealth around , as it were. I don't recall Jesus collecting tithe to subsidize his operations, or have you actually read the Bible? Lol, matter of fact, he ransacked the temple, in a rage, because of the priests collecting tithe and tax in the Lords name. The story is a bit more in depth than that, but that was it in a nutshell. Calling Jesus a 'socialist'? Man, thats a stretch. What , exactly, is the true point you are trying to make here? While it is true that Jesus was a man of the people, I would not call him a socialist, capitalist, communist or any other ist. He was not about politics, at least not as far as I can see. He was a philosopher, not a politician. His entire premise was built on free will, he wanted people to come to his teachings of their own volitian. That , alone, disqualifies him from being even remotly political in his aspirations. I am not a religious person ,either, however, trying to use the life of Jesus to try and make a political point is rather weak. It is certainly a polarizing 'argument', and you have incited the reactions ,from people of faith, that you were looking for. However, that does not strengthen your take on things any. OK, you have stated your position that you hold people of faith, and those who wish to follow the teachings of Christianity, in low regard, as liars and hypocrits, and tarred an entire group of people with a very wide brush. Feel better?
Last edited by NVplumber; 09-02-2009 at 11:00 AM..
If people think Jesus got upset at the money-changers in the temple, get a load of how he'd go absolutely berserk at the phony baloney dudes in the temple these days using his name for their personal greed. He'd pound wooden stakes through the hearts of Falwell(d), Robertson, Dobson and all the other phony preachers conning people out of their money with phony issues like gay marriage, stem cell research and the like. Then he cut out the tongues of the right wing mouthpieces for bearing such horrendous false witness with their lies. What a sight that would be, Jesus in full beard and robes, wielding the flaming sword of truth, eviscerating fat pigs like Limbaugh, et al....
LOL! Good point, Mike.
Jesus had exception generosity according to whatever is left from eyewitness reports. For sure he would be fully supportive of a true socialist system (!) where everyone in society has equal rights, and the government is just and righteous. He was all for taking from the rich to give to the poor; that those with excess should share with those who have less. Too much capitalism gives only 'rights' and privileges for rich people.
Do I want to delude myself to believing these represent... Christ?
Well, bear in mind that Jesus did not need to go 9 trillion in the hole to fund his ...efforts, of healing the sick. Lol, he had a better method, being a divine being hath it's advantages. Thus, he could afford to ...spread the wealth around , as it were. I don't recall Jesus collecting tithe to subsidize his operations, or have you actually read the Bible? Lol, matter of fact, he ransacked the temple, in a rage, because of the priests collecting tithe and tax in the Lords name.
Would a fish and a loaf of bread do?
Well, if we should have it as the republicans seem to want, that's about all anyone would get after paying up to 38% in taxes.
He didn't ransack the temple because the priests were collecting taxes... The taxes belonged to the Romans, who created the tax system as far as we know, so the 'commoners' would pay for their orgies, waste, and guttony. Sort of what's happening in america today.
No ;he was a christian. He talked about the sins of the poor as well as the rich.He talked about indivdual responsibilty ;not government responsibilty.He always said that reward comes from how you live your life reguardless of if your rich or poor.Ceretainly we see the socailist and communist fears of christianity in their actions against christianity.
Jesus was not a part of any political party. He was opposed to tax collectors and was considered to be a political enemy by the local Jewish rabbis as well as the Roman government. He advocated charity to the poor, not government confiscation and redistribution at THIER discretion.
Now that is a Jesus I could like.
After all clearly if you belong to a church "WILLINGLY" you will give to that church and support its cause. That would not be a tax it would be a offering, a charity and a choice.
I dont believe Jesus was a friend of the tax collector. But then again who cares, if jesus was a "socialist" that doesnt mean I should be one.
After all look at where that got him, he is dead now :-)
Sharing the blame for everyone's sins.. maybe he was a socialist lol
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, or have you actually read the Bible? Lol, matter of fact, he ransacked the temple, in a rage, because of the priests collecting tithe and tax in the Lords name. The story is a bit more in depth than that, but that was it in a nutshell. Calling Jesus a 'socialist'? Man, thats a stretch. What , exactly, is the true point you are trying to make here? While it is true that Jesus was a man of the people, I would not call him a socialist, capitalist, communist or any other ist. He was not about politics, at least not as far as I can see. He was a philosopher, not a politician. His entire premise was built on free will, he wanted people to come to his teachings of their own volitian. That , alone, disqualifies him from being even remotly political in his aspirations. I am not a religious person ,either, however, trying to use the life of Jesus to try and make a political point is rather weak. It is certainly a polarizing 'argument', and you have incited the reactions ,from people of faith, that you were looking for. However, that does not strengthen your take on things any. OK, you have stated your position that you hold people of faith, and those who wish to follow the teachings of Christianity, in low regard, as liars and hypocrits, and tarred an entire group of people with a very wide brush. Feel better?
