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Old 09-03-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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All you right wingers do, is snivel about taxes. Your opposition to most ideas comes from one basic thing, you might have to fork over some taxes. Talk about greed.

Well, we all have to pay taxes. In fact, my property taxes are almost due and though I can afford it, I'm going to take a hit...but the difference between myself and those on the right, is even though I'm paying taxes for services I don't even use, such as public schools, I'm happy to do it because I know it helps out many of my fellow citizens and it's for the greater good.

To put it in a nutshell, the left cares about their fellow Americans, the right cares about themselves..

Property taxes? Big deal!

I pay about $500,000 per year to the feds already in taxes. All the roads, schools, military, libraries ect.. that you use, guys like me already pay for. Most "taxpayers" pay essentially no tax. The rest of us already pick up the tab.

Those who want increased taxes ON OTHER PEOPLE are greedy and selfish. Despite us paying HUGE amounts to the feds, the people who pay nothing complain that we should be taxed more. Pay at least the same percentage (which would still be a much smaller dollar figure) and at least you might have a legitimate basis for a complaint. But if you don't pay 50% yourself, it is just whining, as you have done nothing yourself to pay for the programs that YOU WANT, not me.

The greed and selfishness of liberals is shown further by thier lack of donations to charity, relative to conservatives. When I talk to a liberal and tell them they can VOLUNTARILY pay more taxes, they look at me as though I have lost my mind. Them? Pay THIER money?! But they want to spend that on other things FOR THEMSELVES! They want me to pay for the government freebies that they want. Unbelieveable!!!
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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here in lies the problem...you dont understand that HEALTH INSURANCE is not HEALTH CARE

EVERYONE already has HEALTH CARE...all you have to do is go to the doctor....but remember he/she is PROVIDING A SERVICE, why not pay for the SERVICE

I remember when the was NO SUCH THING as health INSURANCE...what you had was HOSPITALIZATION,,, which was for SERIOUS problems...a basic visit to the doctor (50 bucks) can be easily paid out of pocket instead if EXPECTING a health INSURANCE company to pay for it......when you need tires for your car do you call the auto INSURANCE company....nope



Actually I do know - just lazy typing. My bad.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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Property taxes? Big deal!

I pay about $500,000 per year to the feds already in taxes. All the roads, schools, military, libraries ect.. that you use, guys like me already pay for. Most "taxpayers" pay essentially no tax. The rest of us already pick up the tab.

Those who want increased taxes ON OTHER PEOPLE are greedy and selfish. Despite us paying HUGE amounts to the feds, the people who pay nothing complain that we should be taxed more. Pay at least the same percentage (which would still be a much smaller dollar figure) and at least you might have a legitimate basis for a complaint. But if you don't pay 50% yourself, it is just whining, as you have done nothing yourself to pay for the programs that YOU WANT, not me.

The greed and selfishness of liberals is shown further by thier lack of donations to charity, relative to conservatives. When I talk to a liberal and tell them they can VOLUNTARILY pay more taxes, they look at me as though I have lost my mind. Them? Pay THIER money?! But they want to spend that on other things FOR THEMSELVES! They want me to pay for the government freebies that they want. Unbelieveable!!!
Maybe you should hire an accountant who will help you evade your cruel burden.

Donations to charity - the highest number are made by poor people in the south, to or through their churches. Not by better-off people who give for tax purposes.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Property taxes? Big deal!

I pay about $500,000 per year to the feds already in taxes.
As our pastor said once in a stewardship talk, that implies a large taxable income!
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:38 AM
 
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I am just wondering what all of you Left Wingers really want? What is your perfect world? What is the final plan? AND just how much should taxes be to pay for all your "dream programs"? or how do you think it will all be paid for?

I sit and watch all the name calling and the bitterness and passion you people have for this cause. OK so lay the cards out...what is it that you want and who should pay for it. What will it take for all of you to just shut up, be happy and quit attacking?
Here's mine:
- Federal government spends more in social programs than on the military (k-12 education, helping single mothers, technical schools, fixing our countries infrastructure, etc)
- Federal government raises tariffs to protect our countries manufacturing industry.
- Federal government reform immigration law, giving permission for any immigrant to work in the United States but only for a federal, state or county government (building schools, fixing roads, etc, etc). Break the law, and you are gone.
- Reform the tax law, everybody pays 30% tax on their income over the "living wage" (minimum amount of money needed to live, about $20,000 per person).
- Change corporate taxes to the way they were before Ronald "Amnesty" Reagan changed them (About 80% tax)

That's the perfect World for me.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I cannot answer that question because different people on the left want different priorities. Some people on the left are hard core environmentalist who want clean air and clean water ay any cost. I am more moderate on that issue. Some people on the left want to ban all guns. I am for the right to bear arms with a few restrictions. Others on the left want to preserve abortion rights right up until the day of birth. I am more moderate.
The main reason I am on the left is because I work for a living and I want things like labour rights, union rights and an end to the greedy robber baron CEO class that makes 1000 times or more a year than the people doing the work make. I am for taxing anybody that makes more than $1 million a year at 80%. Back in the 1970s, tax rates for such folks were higher and we did not have CEOs making $80 million a year while they are cutting wages and benefits for the workers.
Along with that, workers need the right to unionize without having to jump through hoops and be harrassed and intimidated. I fully support card check off. As for the so-called "private ballot", I am willing to do a reverse compromise- let the workers unionize on card check and after the union is certified, 6 months from that date, hold a secret ballot election to see if the union stays or goes. Got no trouble with that. That way the bosses don't get to harrass or prevent the employees from joining.
I am also for good public schools, fully funded colleges and universities, student aid, Schip, Medicare, Social Security, TEMPORARY welfare for those who need it and very strong regulation of business and strong enforcement of the Sherman Anti Trust Act.
I am also for ripping up NAFTA and GATT and telling China to go to hell. We should only trade with other nations that have the values the United States has such as democracy, workers rights, labour standards and the right to a union as well as environmental regulations and workplace safety. We should not penalize American businesses for doing the right thing by allowing dictatorships like China to use child labour to make things that compete with our own businesses.
I also support a full single payer healthcare system like every other country has. Healthcare is a RIGHT and not just for the rich. We need to start heading that way now hopefully.
I am also for a military that protects the United States and not police the world. Not our job. When the founders came to this country, they figured it out. It got bloody a bit but in the end it worked out for us without foreign intervention except for the Brits who we kicked out soon enough. We don't need bases in 120 nations. Close them and let those countries figure it out too. Same with Iraq. We gave them democracy. We don't have to babysit them. Close more foreign bases and bring home the troops!
So those are why I am a LEFTIST. I don't know about others.
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Here's mine:
- Federal government spends more in social programs than on the military (k-12 education, helping single mothers, technical schools, fixing our countries infrastructure, etc)
- Federal government raises tariffs to protect our countries manufacturing industry.
- Federal government reform immigration law, giving permission for any immigrant to work in the United States but only for a federal, state or county government (building schools, fixing roads, etc, etc). Break the law, and you are gone.
- Reform the tax law, everybody pays 30% tax on their income over the "living wage" (minimum amount of money needed to live, about $20,000 per person).
- Change corporate taxes to the way they were before Ronald "Amnesty" Reagan changed them (About 80% tax)

That's the perfect World for me.

IAW your 1 already there we CURRENTLY spend 600 BILLION on medicaide/medicare, thats not counting welffare
IAW your 2...not going to happen the dems are bought and paid for by BIG FOREIGN BUSINESS...rememeber NAFTA was passed by the democrat Controlled congree in Dec 1993 and signed by clinton
iaw your 3...there have been 9 amnesties since 1965 (8 passed)(all 8 authored by TED KENNEDY)
IAW your 4....fine by me, but make sure that welfare is counted as INCOME

IAW your 5....need to go lower...we are currently the 2nd hightest corporate taxes IN THE WORLD,,,and it is STIFFLING US, we need to lower them...then maybe you will see businness come back to the USA



your points were good, and with some tweeking they could be better....be informed, dont just follow
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Old 09-03-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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kevk has the right ideas. I agree completely. The Republicans, and quasi-republicans like the Clintons, have allowed the plutocrats to operate our government and economy for the privilege of the few at the expense of the many. That is absolutely wrong.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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I cannot answer that question because different people on the left want different priorities. Some people on the left are hard core environmentalist who want clean air and clean water ay any cost. I am more moderate on that issue. Some people on the left want to ban all guns. I am for the right to bear arms with a few restrictions. Others on the left want to preserve abortion rights right up until the day of birth. I am more moderate.
The main reason I am on the left is because I work for a living and I want things like labour rights, union rights and an end to the greedy robber baron CEO class that makes 1000 times or more a year than the people doing the work make. I am for taxing anybody that makes more than $1 million a year at 80%. Back in the 1970s, tax rates for such folks were higher and we did not have CEOs making $80 million a year while they are cutting wages and benefits for the workers.
Along with that, workers need the right to unionize without having to jump through hoops and be harrassed and intimidated. I fully support card check off. As for the so-called "private ballot", I am willing to do a reverse compromise- let the workers unionize on card check and after the union is certified, 6 months from that date, hold a secret ballot election to see if the union stays or goes. Got no trouble with that. That way the bosses don't get to harrass or prevent the employees from joining.
I am also for good public schools, fully funded colleges and universities, student aid, Schip, Medicare, Social Security, TEMPORARY welfare for those who need it and very strong regulation of business and strong enforcement of the Sherman Anti Trust Act.
I am also for ripping up NAFTA and GATT and telling China to go to hell. We should only trade with other nations that have the values the United States has such as democracy, workers rights, labour standards and the right to a union as well as environmental regulations and workplace safety. We should not penalize American businesses for doing the right thing by allowing dictatorships like China to use child labour to make things that compete with our own businesses.
I also support a full single payer healthcare system like every other country has. Healthcare is a RIGHT and not just for the rich. We need to start heading that way now hopefully.
I am also for a military that protects the United States and not police the world. Not our job. When the founders came to this country, they figured it out. It got bloody a bit but in the end it worked out for us without foreign intervention except for the Brits who we kicked out soon enough. We don't need bases in 120 nations. Close them and let those countries figure it out too. Same with Iraq. We gave them democracy. We don't have to babysit them. Close more foreign bases and bring home the troops!
So those are why I am a LEFTIST. I don't know about others.
Feel the exact same way -- and it's not especially far left actually.

I used to feel we needed bases in all those countries to protect our interests and our hosts' safety, and they have been necessary, but I feel now we can respond to any crisis almost instantly, anywhere on earth -- many are necessary but we should cut way back. Stay ahead of the curve in technology and hardware but no need to keep expanding forthe sake of expansion/because lawmakers are afraid to say no, like some kinda socialist federal program.
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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All you right wingers do, is snivel about taxes. Your opposition to most ideas comes from one basic thing, you might have to fork over some taxes. Talk about greed.

Well, we all have to pay taxes. In fact, my property taxes are almost due and though I can afford it, I'm going to take a hit...but the difference between myself and those on the right, is even though I'm paying taxes for services I don't even use, such as public schools, I'm happy to do it because I know it helps out many of my fellow citizens and it's for the greater good.

To put it in a nutshell, the left cares about their fellow Americans, the right cares about themselves..
Actually, the left cares more for illegal aliens, foreign terrorists, and dictators like Castro, Chavez, and Kim Jong Ill
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