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Of course I would never advocate the overthrow of the vile Federal Regime by the force of free people acting in their best interests. It would be terrible to see all of the advocates of socialism raped, beaten, and shot in the streets. The sounds of their screams would be horrifying.
I want to expound on this a little bit more. You clearly hate socialism. Do you consider the emancipation of slaves to be an expression of socialism in that it violated the private property rights of slave owners?
I think it would be more appropriate to start a different thread if you want to defend the pros and cons of socialism. To throw you a bone, I would say that I don't believe that people should be "owned" and therefore they should never have been viewed as property.
our lifestyles and standards of living havent gone down too far yet. But if Obama keeps his policies going we are going to shoot towards 25% unemployment, health care rationing, fuel rationing, who knows what other necesseties. It wont be pretty. When Obama declares martial law and goes after the guns thats when it's all over.
I think it would be more appropriate to start a different thread if you want to defend the pros and cons of socialism. To throw you a bone, I would say that I don't believe that people should be "owned" and therefore they should never have been viewed as property.
Well, I'm not here to talk about the pros and cons of socialism either, but since it was you who raised the issue of Lincoln's "crimes" and conflated that with socialism, then it behooves on me to ask whether you also believe the abolition of slavery was an act of socialism.
Let me put it this way: if slavery were being practiced today, and the federal government said it will abolish slavery, would you take up arms against the government and defend your right to your private property?
If you put it to me that way. No, the emancipation was not an act of socialism. The government was not taking ownership of the slaves nor were they redistributing said property among the populace as they deemed fit.
Slavery is in practice today, we are all property of the Chosen Family, or Rothschilds, and I would be thrilled if the government set us free. Since my life, as a human being residing in the US, is just another instrument of payment to the Chosen Family by the Godvernment and I have not yet taken up arms against the Red Machine the answer to the last question is evident. If my Godvernment went back to using Constitutionally allowed currency and reversed its socialist policies that have further enslaved us, I would be throwing parties not grenades.
So basically the statists win. Big government getting bigger will be the order of the day from here to eternity, or until China tells us different.
never say never. after all, it is said that if you forget your past, you are doomed to repeat it.
too many things in the USA are forgotten on a daily basis, and it is only a matter of time before another civil/revolutionary war begins once again.
the british once thought they could win being a tyrannical goverment, and now once again the USA has a tyrannical goverment in power doing its best to run roughshod on its people.
Quote:
When the goverment is afraid of the people you have liberty, and when the people are afraid of the goverment you have tyranny.
I dont remember who did the quote, but it still holds true today.
Let me put it this way: if slavery were being practiced today, and the federal government said it will abolish slavery, would you take up arms against the government and defend your right to your private property?
Funny you should mention that. The law shows that emancipation is not the same as manumission. However, it should be noted that owners of slaves in the Union were compensated by government for the loss of their private property.
Emancipation Proclamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"On April 10, 1862, Congress declared that the federal government would compensate slave owners who freed their slaves. Slaves in the District of Columbia were freed on April 16, 1862 and their owners were compensated."
I hope that large scale political violence never comes to the US again.
But all of you people who think it'll be the 1860s all over again are probably wrong. It most likely will resemble Pakistan or Iraq right now rather than the American Civil War, with large scale terrorism rather than armies facing off against each other.
To the OP:
Don't be one of the smarmy cowards to talk about war as if it's a parlor game. War is a failure of politics. Wars don't go as they are planned, alliances change, resources get diverted, everyone suffers for the worst of reasons. There won't be individual American "states" involved at that point, only regions where collections of cities, natural resources, key infrastructure, cultural commonality, and military assets can be jammed together out of the emergency. See "The Nine Nations of North America" for some ideas about the intangibles that might determine how things coalesce out of that kind of chaos.
IMO, the most likely future discontinuity in American politics is a right-wing military coup, not a civil war. When the Christian Generals Corps decide to do so, they can easily direct a hotheaded pipsqueak to commit an act that is so disruptive to all the other pipsqueaks that the military has to "take over" to assure a sufficient number of the populace that they can restore "law and order" and restart the economy. They'll use the "patriot" types first, then later vaporize as many of the "freedom loving" hotheads as needed to make the coup stick.
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And Reid is NOT DOING OK in Nevada. His poll numbers are getting worse and worse and worse.
Again - why did Nevada go for OBAMA (got it right this time) over McCain
The GOP in Nevada has given the state Gov. Jim Gibbons and Sen. John Ensign, both now laughingstocks who can't keep their respective members in their respective pants.
Billy Vassiliadis's political consulting (for Repubs) and PR empire is now standing atop a pile of steaming ashes called the Vegas economy. I think the Dems have a few salient economic issues to run on.
Your volley.
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