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You bring up some good points. The upcoming elections are scaring the left as they see the likleyhood of losing their supermajority, and it's not a stretch to them taking steps to keep it by trumping up a reason to 'postpone' or cancel the elections. That WOULD cause some issues to arise. No doubt about it. Things could get very ugly very fast in such a situation.
Funny how you people on the right are talking just like people on the left did in the Bush years.....
Truth is, even if a small group of people tried to start an "insurgent" campaign, they'd hit the wrong target, take out civilians, and then become incredibly unpopular. For instance, it's not clear Tim McVeigh actually intended to wipe out a daycare facility in the Murrah Federal Building and kill a bunch of toddlers - but he did. Because that's the nature of collateral damage.
Once something like that happens, popularity plunges, people aren't willing to cooperate with you or protect you from adverse forces, and then either the government arrests you or you die. And if a vigilante takes you out, he'd get accolades and probably some money.
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Truth is, even if a small group of people tried to start an "insurgent" campaign, they'd hit the wrong target, take out civilians, and then become incredibly unpopular. For instance, it's not clear Tim McVeigh actually intended to wipe out a daycare facility in the Murrah Federal Building and kill a bunch of toddlers - but he did. Because that's the nature of collateral damage.
Once something like that happens, popularity plunges, people aren't willing to cooperate with you or protect you from adverse forces, and then either the government arrests you or you die. And if a vigilante takes you out, he'd get accolades and probably some money.
We haven't even gotten into things like false-flag operations or agent provocateurs. It's surprising how many Americans have never even heard of programs like Operation Gladio... the lesson is, if the government really needs you out of the way, there is very little you can do to prevent your own demise.
Truth is, even if a small group of people tried to start an "insurgent" campaign, they'd hit the wrong target, take out civilians, and then become incredibly unpopular.
Of course, but that won't stop them from trying. Remember the "New Terror" is different from groups in the past like the IRA who cared about public opinion. For these groups today, there is no such thing as a civilian.
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For instance, it's not clear Tim McVeigh actually intended to wipe out a daycare facility in the Murrah Federal Building and kill a bunch of toddlers - but he did. Because that's the nature of collateral damage.
IMO he did intend that, just as much as Al Qaeda intended to take out innocent people on 9/11.
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Once something like that happens, popularity plunges, people aren't willing to cooperate with you or protect you from adverse forces, and then either the government arrests you or you die. And if a vigilante takes you out, he'd get accolades and probably some money.
That's how things work in real life.
Agreed on the last part but that doesn't keep people from trying.
Leaders who break the Constitution, even if they "represent" us as you believe, should be executed. In my humble opinion, if any goDvernemt official acts or endorses policy that is contrary to the constitution, he is an enemy of the people and thus should be removed, by violence if necessary. I can agree that we disagree on the "representation" issue.
The fact of the matter is that the people who initiated the Revolutionary War represented a very small minority of the population and were very "radical". Also, those radicals acted against a "legal" government. The King was not an invader or anything, our founders simply rebelled against their government because their interests ran contrary to theirs. They had no legal standing to do so whatsoever.
You are free to believe that those who feel oppressed now are wrong and you are free to hold that opinion. But I am free to believe that this socialist government oppresses far too many people in pursuit of instituting a eutopian vision that very few are aware of much less agree with. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled program...
How are you being oppressed? Which Rights have you lost? Which parts of the Constitution are being broken? Don't tell me what "they" might do, tell me what they "have" done to bring you to a point where you want to tear down our government.
Casper
Because the prevailing thought is "it cant happen here" or "never in America" is exactly why it could happen here.Once again,the old frog in the slowly boiling pot analogy,only this time a hell of a lot of Americans are going to jump out of the pot before it gets much hotter.The nation is perhaps closer to large scale civil unrest and violence then at any time since 1865,and that includes the Vietnam era disturbances.No,not all out civil war or states or regions leaving the union,but,as previous posts have mentioned,localized guerilla warfare,sabotage,and terrorist acts.Never in my lifetime has there been so much emnity between differing political ideologies as there is today.Those of us on the right have never had so much seething hatred and utter contempt for the left as we do today,and am sure that the feeling is mutual.The feeling among many conservatives is that we simply will not allow the far left to turn the USA into a modern clone of the old Soviet Union,as the Obama administration seems hell bent on doing.We will not alllow the USA to become a clone of the the effete Euro-Socialists.Whether or not the left believes or not,or likes it or not,America is still a center-right nation,with most citizens either moderates or conservatives.While only a few extremeists on the far end of both spectrums could wish to see the horror of Americans killing Americans,it could happen.The best solution,is of course,free elections and the ballot box.If,under some pretext,the elections of 2012 or 2010 were "postponed" because of a "national crisis",and martial law was declared,get ready to duck and take cover,because the bullets are going to start flying.
There is no movement to take your rights away, if you think so please post your facts here for all to see. I hear a lot of speculation and accusations, so far none have proven to be true.
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How are you being oppressed? Which Rights have you lost? Which parts of the Constitution are being broken? Don't tell me what "they" might do, tell me what they "have" done to bring you to a point where you want to tear down our government.
Casper
Lack of enforcement on our immigration laws.
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