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Old 09-14-2009, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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To the OP, no.

Why do people throw the term racist to anyone who does not like Obama's policy on health care? He is as much a white man as he is a black man.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: CO
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To the OP, no.

Why do people throw the term racist to anyone who does not like Obama's policy on health care? He is as much a white man as he is a black man.
Many of us have heard (and read) racist comments made by a number of Obama opponents (even here in these forums). Others make comments that come off as a little ignorant, so it's difficult not to group them in with the people who made the racist comments, since the comments are also ignorant in nature. It is a little unfair, but there are unfair accusations being spewed by both sides. Don't worry, most of us are smart enough to know that not all who oppose Obama are racist. And not all who support him are loony liberals either.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: CO
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This sums up my response to this part of your statement !

http://www.city-data.com/forum/10724996-post15.html




No... you obviously don't understand what this health care reform BS is ultimately all about for the Gov weather it come from 0bama or a different person who represents a repub, independent, dem, libertarian, conservative, progressive or the man in the moon. It boils down to FREEDOM. The Gov ultimately is and has been trying or control man ever since it's inception as history shows. Controlling HC is the final "feather in the cap" to the road to ultimate control of the people ! NO ENTITY should have that kind of control especially in a country that was founded on principals of FREEDOM ! The Gov has done enough already in stripping away freedom in the name of "it's good for mankind"... and the stupid continue to fall for this crap !

The Gov option will give the Gov the right and ability to Tax ALL the people what ever they want when they want and ultimately control and compete with industries in the private sector no matter what they say ! THE GOV HAS NO BUSINESS OR RIGHT COMPETING WITH OR CONTROLLING ANY PART OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR... PERIOD ! They already do enough of that now if you haven't noticed.

So in conclusion and to the OP and more on topic... NO his speech did NOT change my mind that I should give up FREEDOM to better mankind under the cloak of some health care charade !
I respect you for posting an opinion that is more against "government" while so many are simply against "Obama" or "Democrats". And I can't say I don't share some of your fears. I am not a huge fan of government having so much power, but the reality is, they probably already have more than we can even fathom anyway. I don't see how the health care issue will do anything to further that in the grand scheme of things. It just seems like the Democrats trying to implement a system they think will work and will keep them in power longer, just as the Republicans do when they're in power. It's all a big cycle. One party runs the show until the people get fed up with their failures, then the other one steps in. Seems to me the government already has a big influence (control) over the private sector - some corporations benefit when one party is in power, others when the opposing party runs things.

And let's all keep in mind, if it doesn't work, the Republicans will eventually regain power and change it all again anyway - or at least sterilize it so that corporate supporters make more money off it somehow.
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Old 09-14-2009, 11:59 AM
 
Location: NY
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Not one iota. Nothing this lying, Socialistic, ultra liberal,racist says will sway me from oposing this atrocity with all I've got.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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Yeah it has, that I think he wants the American people to bend over and take it without Vaseline or Lubrication.

The POTUS is Slick Willie II.
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Old 09-14-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: CO
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Not one iota. Nothing this lying, Socialistic, ultra liberal,racist says will sway me from oposing this atrocity with all I've got.
And these type of remarks are what makes it difficult to take any conservative point of view seriously. I'm betting jeepjeep also thinks G.W. Bush was a great President - and doesn't fault G.H.W Bush for lying about "no new taxes" after we all read his lips - what a liar that guy turned out to be! Raising taxes after he promised not to... sheeeesh! LOL! Welcome to politics folks.

Obama should just scrap the health care issue and go declare war on another country to get turn his opposition into supporters. It seems it's okay with conservatives to spend billions on military conflicts so long as we're spreading democracy and killing dictators (no matter the cost). The conservative agenda doesn't seem to be any less expensive than the liberal agenda when you step back and look at it from the outside. We can't really afford either one.
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Old 09-14-2009, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Did Obama's speech change your position on healthcare?

Nope
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Old 09-14-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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The only position I changed was moving form the chair to the couch becuase after 45 minutes, my ass was falling asleep...
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Old 09-14-2009, 06:03 PM
 
Location: SC
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There were many things he said he would do that I agree with but there were enough lies to convince me not to trust anything he said. The used care salesman was in his prime tonight. Pie in the sky.
I think we have all learned by now not to take President Obama at his word because all too often, his words do not match his bahavior and follow through. His words are designed to lull the sheep to sleep. Those of us who are awake who want to trust know that trusting is not enough with President Obama. You must trust AND VERIFY.

Especially when it comes to so-called health care reform, he has yet to back up any of his promises in writing in the form of legislation that is being considered by Congress. In fact his words are 90 yo 180 degrees opposed to what is in writing. If you don't believe me check it out for yourself. The bill is H.R.3200. I have so I have seen the incongruencies first hand with my own eyes and have referenced many examples in prior posts in this and the Health Forum.
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Old 09-14-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I speak for myself when I say this. Listening to Obama if you are open minded enough to actually listen is at the very least a good listen.
I watch and listen. The man can deliver a speech, even with the occasion uhmms. I am impressed with his ability to deliver his message. I may not agree with him on health care and most other issues but I can not fault his delivery.
Many of us may not like the fact that he won the election. I certainly did not vote for him. I will however give the man his due. I enjoy his speeches while at the same time I can be critical of his position.
There is no law against respecting someone that you disagree with.
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