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medicare/medicaide costs 600 BILLION for fy08, just to cover 50 million people (1/5 the population) (care/aide are about even around 300 BILLION each)
so if covering 1/5 the population on single payer medicare/medicaide cost 600 BILLION,,,what would covering 320 MILLION people be...........math says over 3 TRILLION A YEAR.......................now I may be wrong, but you know what happens when washington gets its greedy hands on things
btw...when medicare was introduced in 1965, the liberals said it would only cost 12 billion by 1990.....in 1990 it actually cost 107 BILLION........kind of makes you wonder, when the government says that single payer would not cost much, of effect the deficit/debt
Medicare has a 4% overhead, 30% average for the private insurance plans.
Your figures do NOT reflect the savings inherent in regulating, for the first time, private insurance.
Medicare has a 4% overhead, 30% average for the private insurance plans.
Your figures do NOT reflect the savings inherent in regulating, for the first time, private insurance.
I am not talking about private insurance
my answer was to the statement about single payer
medicare/medicaide is single payer
currently 600 BILLION is spent in a year just to cover 50 million people on medicare/medicaide (about 1/5 of the population)
a single payer system to cover all americans (about 320 million people will COST about 2.5-3.5 trillion A YEAR (plus yearly inflation)
and who will pay for it.........the taxpayers.............................................
according to the IRS there were 110 million 1040's (long,a, and ez) filed last year.....thats 110 million taxpayer households which includes teens flipping hambergers at fast food joints because the ended up earning over that 10k threshhold.
take the LOWER number (2.5 trillion) and divide by the total taxpayers (1040's) and you get what????............22k per taxpayer YEARLY...........can you afford that.......I certainly cant........
do you DENY that the governemtn said medicare would only cost 12 billlion by 1990 and it actually cost 120 billion in 1990????
do you deny that when the current government says it wont add to the debt, the LIKELYHOOD of that is NILL?????
sorry but been there, done that. single payer will not be good for america as a whole
currently 600 BILLION is spent in a year just to cover 50 million people on medicare/medicaide (about 1/5 of the population)
a single payer system to cover all americans (about 320 million people will COST about 2.5-3.5 trillion A YEAR (plus yearly inflation)
and who will pay for it.........the taxpayers.............................................
according to the IRS there were 110 million 1040's (long,a, and ez) filed last year.....thats 110 million taxpayer households which includes teens flipping hambergers at fast food joints because the ended up earning over that 10k threshhold.
take the LOWER number (2.5 trillion) and divide by the total taxpayers (1040's) and you get what????............22k per taxpayer...........can you afford that.......I certainly cant........
do you DENY that the governemtn said medicare would only cost 12 billlion by 1990 and it actually cost 120 billion in 1990????
do you deny that when the current government says it wont add to the debt, the LIKELYHOOD of that is NILL?????
sorry but been there, done that. single payer will not be good for america as a whole
EVERY industrialized nation that has single payer is more content with their system than we are with ours. It is just a fact.
If you control private insurance, you will control the rise in costs for ALL health care in the US, that is another fact.
EVERY industrialized nation that has single payer is more content with their system than we are with ours. It is just a fact.
If you control private insurance, you will control the rise in costs for ALL health care in the US, that is another fact.
fine lets take insurance out of the picture,,,,it still wont controll costs
how are you going to control the cost of an MRI machine.....nationalize another company and make it taxpayer funded?????
how are you going to control the rental/mortgage/property tax cost of the doctors????
how are you gong to control cost of living costs (ie wage increases)....are you going to make it that the minimum wage is the only wage for everyone????
medicaide is a GOVERNMENT RUN SINGLE PAYER system...and is costs 300 BILLION (for FY08) and goes up each year.....not due to fraud or waste....but due to inflation and service costs.........HOW COULD you even think that a GOVERNMENT RUN SINGLE PAYER system for ALL AMERICANS would save money.....what are you going to do....DENY SERVICES???? that would be the ONLY way to cut costs
remember we are 320 million people
10's of millions are elderly
10's of millions are obese
10's of millions are diabetic
10's of millions are drug (to include tobacco and alchohol) users
10's of millions are HIV
10's of millions have ASTHMA
10's of millions have cancer and heart problems
10's of millions have eye problems (glocoma, cataracs, macular degeneration)
10's of millions deal with back pain everyday
10's of millions deal (or try to) with depression/anxiety/addhd and are on drugs like paxil, prozac or riddlin
1 in every 150 kids is born with autizm
Paying for reform is NOT the big problem here. NOT reforming the health service is the BIG problem.
Every single venture that America is involved with costs money. The Space programme, the various wars that America has been involved in, etc and of course the bailout, all cost America Trillions upon Trillions. This "how are we going to pay for it" didn't stop any of those projects.
The biggest problem will be if America allows the "Elitists" who do not want change to use this "How can we afford it" to stop a reform in health that only a idiot would say America does not need.
This reform is not just needed but is crucial to America's recovery.
What I don't understand is why he can not control the rampant fraud in Medicare right NOW. Do it NOW save the money NOW. Why do we have to have a 1000 page bill to do this. AND if this health care plan does not kick in for 5 years does that mean the fraud in Medicare will continue for the next five years. It is ridiculous and makes no sense at all. There are things that can be done right now that would help but no he wants to ram a half-ass bill with no real thought or concern for the American people down our throats just so he can say he reformed health care. He is not doing this to help Americans he is doing this because he wants to be viewed as the savor. It is about Obama and will always be about Obama.
Paying for reform is NOT the big problem here. NOT reforming the health service is the BIG problem.
Every single venture that America is involved with costs money. The Space programme, the various wars that America has been involved in, etc and of course the bailout, all cost America Trillions upon Trillions. This "how are we going to pay for it" didn't stop any of those projects.
The biggest problem will be if America allows the "Elitists" who do not want change to use this "How can we afford it" to stop a reform in health that only a idiot would say America does not need.
This reform is not just needed but is crucial to America's recovery.
You are spot on when you say that health care reform is needed and also when you wonder why other big budget programs are allowed even though we cannot afford them. Why were those programs allowed to go forward? I do recall a lot of 'if we don't pass X then the sky will fall' types of rhetoric from both sides of the aisle depending upon who proposed what. I think what you are seeing now is the fall out of nine years of 'pass now or else!' bs. We are trillions in debt and that cannot be ignored. Maybe if Obama had a plan on how to get the country financially solvent again perhaps people would be willing to overlook the current mess, but he doesn't,. And vague assurances of 'cutting the fat' does not count.
And out of curiosity, is this how you handle your finances? With an attitude that what the hell, you are already in debt why not pile on some more? That certainly makes no sense can only end in bankruptcy. And to the best of my knowledge the US cannot declare bankruptcy.
Wait until they adopt a new payroll tax a'la the UK or France.
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