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Old 09-10-2009, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, Maryland
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Another wingnut who lives in a future that doesn't even exist! The nationalized healthcare system - in case you don't know - DOES NOT EVEN EXIST yet and is in PLANNING STAGES so how do YOU know what proof is required?
Can you give me next weeks lottery numbers, please?

Okay, so we should sit back, let something happen then start protesting when it is already to late to do something? It's much harder to undo an action once it's already been done, best to nip it in the bud before it even happens. That's my philosophy.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:29 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The idea with health care reform is that anybody should be able to buy health insurance. That is a bad thing, right?
According to Obama, yes:


YouTube - "You Lie!" - Rep. Joe Wilson OWNS Barack Obama on Illegal Immigration at Congress Health Care Speech

According to Obama, health care reform doesn't apply to those who are here illegally.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:30 PM
 
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I was just thinking the same thing. If these obsructionists would get out of the way or take Obama up on his offer to listen to all suggestions and issues, all of the fine points would be addressed.

Really, they come with the dumbest arguments imaginable based on absolutely nothing but hallucinations and assumptions. None of these two can be used to counterargue something we disagree on.

If there truly is so many bad points in the policy, they would have some valid counterargument and facts. But they have nothing to show except their wingnuttery!

Just amazing...

The Obama policies need to be refined and formed to work efficient. Whatever weaknesses in it once it actually is in place, needs to be finetuned and adjusted and corrected.

In this regard I have no worries about this country because the U.S. has shown again and again that it is capable of making changes and quick decisions to improve on bad conditions. I would rather say that Europe is far more sluggish to implement policy changes to improve on something and is more conservative that way. That's one of their main weaknesses.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:32 PM
 
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Okay, so we should sit back, let something happen then start protesting when it is already to late to do something? It's much harder to undo an action once it's already been done, best to nip it in the bud before it even happens. That's my philosophy.

No, I think its fully correct to object to something you see being wrong. However, object with a sensible counter argument which really does have some weight.
The problems with those, who mainly do seem to be republican (I don't belong to any political party except what I call "the solutions party - whomever has the solution, I will support), is that they have only opinions and imaginations but not good counterargument.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, Maryland
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Again, so basically what you are saying is that right now we should just accept what he wants, then hope that we can change the parts we don't like after they have already been in place? Like I said, it's much easier to stop something before it happens then to have to go and repair the damage afterwards.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, Maryland
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You sound like a victim of the liberal media machine. McCain had solutions while he was running for president, the democrats just didn't like them because it meant people had to work for their benefits, something democrats are violently against.

There are many ways of doing this, without getting the government involved. I don't care how bad insurance companies are, I would rather they make life changing decisions for me then some marxist, anti-life, commie lib in congress.

The democrats keep talking about this "public option" to "compete" with the private companies, but this can't happen. Who can compete with the federal government and win? Insurance companies need to make a profit, the government doesn't. Insurance companies can't run their businesses on deficits for years and years, but the government has been running on a deficit for the past few decades now. So the government will make the environment very hostile to private companies. They will put rates so low that no one can compete. They will put anti competition laws into place. Look at the USPS, it is illegal for anyone other than the USPS to deliver non-urgent mail, it is illegal for anyone to use mailboxes (the same mailbox I paid money for).
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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According to Obama, health care reform doesn't apply to those who are here illegally.
Can you show me the piece in the health care reform bill you speak of that contradicts what he is said?
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Again, so basically what you are saying is that right now we should just accept what he wants, then hope that we can change the parts we don't like after they have already been in place? Like I said, it's much easier to stop something before it happens then to have to go and repair the damage afterwards.
No. He's asking for grown ups to start having a dialogue and provide ideas that are debated with civility, not with noise, name-calling, lies and misinformation that has prevailed from the opposition thus far.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:47 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Can you show me the piece in the health care reform bill you speak of that contradicts what he is said?
Read the CRS's legal analysis:
http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/noncitizens.pdf
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Now, provide an excerpt that talks about the issue.
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