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Give me the piece from the bill itself. We can analyze it ourselves.
They don't like reading the bill, instead would prefer someone's analysis of the bill instead Btw
(Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
They don't like reading the bill, instead would prefer someone's analysis of the bill instead Btw
(Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
I'm open to playing their game with their rules. Let us see how long it takes.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
The CRS report analyzes the relevant sections in depth, with citations. I suggest you read it as they are an authoritative source.
Provide an excerpt from the "analysis" that concerns the topic at hand so we can have a focused debate. I see the analysis is mostly about "non-citizens" and how the plan differs for them (who are legally here). It also makes clear that illegal non-citizens do not have the benefits extended. May be I missed it, hence asking you to be more precise as to what you want to discuss.
According to Obama, health care reform doesn't apply to those who are here illegally.
It is a mute point. In the US you can enter emergency and cannot be denied care.
You will pay either in taxes or by increased premiums either in private or public option.
Bottom line is legal residents will pay for illegals one way or another.
Now, provide an excerpt that talks about the issue.
An excerpt that specifically addresses one of the major reform goals - the health insurance requirement:
"H.R. 3200 includes an individual mandate to have health insurance, with tax penalties for noncompliance. Individuals who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for themselves and their children would be required to pay an additional tax. Some individuals, including nonresident aliens, would be exempt from the individual mandate. “Nonresident alien†is a term under tax but not immigration law. For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance."
As such, the health insurance requirement of the reform legally applies to resident illegal immigrants, in direct contradiction to what Obama stated:
We can only wait and see what system will be put in place in this country, but abroad, the procedures are more stringent than that.
With the documentation available here, showing a passport would be the only acceptable form of ID since to get a passport they really do go through stringent checks. With paper documentation its too easy to create fakes. Also, unlike this country, in parts of Europe they have the biometric chip embedded IN their drivers license meaning your drivers license can be swiped and serve as a travel documents (mini passport) and really verifies your status. Trying to duplicate a drivers license and use it to full extent is really hard as the approval goes through layers of government departments, and not only one department. So it would be very hard for them to "pay" anyone to create a DL for them, as they would have to be connected and pay a whole string of departments. Those nations that do not have the biometric chip in their DL or ID, their drivers license and ID is not valued as a truly valid ID and they need to show a passport.
So, there are several ways of making the system as hard as possible to exploit. There will always be a few cases, but overall, the system would work much much better than the current one. For example, immigrants at present use the ER even for basic medical care. They exploit this system. This should be blocked, and the ER for uninsured need to be only for true emergency care (accident victims, immediate life threatening emergencies, etc).
I've asked this question about a dozen times with no response. Do you think the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 has worked as written? I beg to differ. Despite direct language showing exactly how employers are supposed to check immigration status, it apparently hasn't worked from where I can see. If it hasn't then, why hasn't it? The answer to why ICRA hasn't worked is the same answer why HR3200 will not prevent illegals from obtaining care.
They don't like reading the bill, instead would prefer someone's analysis of the bill instead Btw
(Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Oh yeah, that'll work - just like the law that 'says' immigrants cannot enter the U.S. illegally - OOPS! 10+ million of them already did, and they're still here. But the law says...
Oh yeah, that'll work - just like the law that 'says' immigrants cannot enter the U.S. illegally - OOPS! 10+ million of them already did, and they're still here. But the law says...
Get the picture?
You do realize getting a government sponsored health care program is not exactly the same thing as crossing the border??
It's not the exact same, but the democrats have a history of not enforcing immigration laws. We all know what you guys want, complete amnesty for illegals and no more borders what so ever. Most of you are not ready to come out and admit it just yet though, you have to chip away at immigration laws little by little before we get to the point that democrats are hoping for.
Seriously, talk to one of the far left wingers, but don't let them know you are a right winger. They'll tell you that they want to do away completely with our immigrations laws, get rid of our borders ("we're all citizens of mother earth"), ban all guns except for the government, completely demilitarise the US, impose 70% income taxes on all those who work.... it goes on.
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But the law says... 
