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Old 09-10-2009, 12:18 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Why is the government trying to get between a patient and their private physician if thing are going well? Haven't they learned their lesson with the disastrous "stimulus" bill??? How about they work to simply hold onto the jobs we now have and put a break on the soaring unemployment?????

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". . . . the majority of Americans still have health insurance through their job and most of them are happy with it. . . ."
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Old 09-10-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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Maybe, unlike my Father who lost his job and health cover, developed cancer and died because he could not get the treatment he needed and could not be polled, the "majority" who polled positive could do so because the ones who are dissatisfied with the system are mostly dead.
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Old 09-10-2009, 12:56 PM
 
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Maybe, unlike my Father who lost his job and health cover, developed cancer and died because he could not get the treatment he needed and could not be polled, the "majority" who polled positive could do so because the ones who are dissatisfied with the system are mostly dead.
I am very sorry to hear about your father. If anything, this shows to all of us that what is available now (private health insurance) is not working for everyone, and certainly not the "majority." Many companies today that are hiring are hiring workers on a consultant basis, thus not providing health insurance options or they are hiring part-time workers and avoiding it that way. I'm not here to blame the companies; I'm here to say that health insurance is so $$$costly to firms that they will do all sorts of things to avoid covering workers.

My sincere sympathy on the loss of your dear father. I hope that we can get something done in honor of him and many other people who have also fallen through the cracks.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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I am very sorry to hear about your father. If anything, this shows to all of us that what is available now (private health insurance) is not working for everyone, and certainly not the "majority." Many companies today that are hiring are hiring workers on a consultant basis, thus not providing health insurance options or they are hiring part-time workers and avoiding it that way. I'm not here to blame the companies; I'm here to say that health insurance is so $$$costly to firms that they will do all sorts of things to avoid covering workers.

My sincere sympathy on the loss of your dear father. I hope that we can get something done in honor of him and many other people who have also fallen through the cracks.
"Certainly not the majority?"

330,000,000 - 47,000,000 uninsured = Majority of people insured.

The Al Gore School of Fuzzy Math, eh?
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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"Certainly not the majority?"

330,000,000 - 47,000,000 uninsured = Majority of people insured.

The Al Gore School of Fuzzy Math, eh?
Do you really believe that "being covered" means that you are "covered" when the insurance companies openly admit that they will try anything to stop you getting treatment. Many who are covered are fortunate that they have not been denied treatment or have been lucky not to need life saving expensive treatment, so of course they are happy. Just using figures means nothing. Ask the many who thought they had their health needs taken care of only to be denied treatment because of some minor complaint they forget they had in 67.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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How exactly is the government trying to get between the patient and their physician? Do you mean in the same way that private insurance companies do?
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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"Certainly not the majority?"

330,000,000 - 47,000,000 uninsured = Majority of people insured.

The Al Gore School of Fuzzy Math, eh?
according to Obama last night, the 47,000,000 has magically gone to 30,000,000. Tomorrow he might even come up with better numbers. . . .
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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Do you really believe that "being covered" means that you are "covered" when the insurance companies openly admit that they will try anything to stop you getting treatment. Many who are covered are fortunate that they have not been denied treatment or have been lucky not to need life saving expensive treatment, so of course they are happy. Just using figures means nothing. Ask the many who thought they had their health needs taken care of only to be denied treatment because of some minor complaint they forget they had in 67.
And the answer is government-ran healthcare? If so, do you support open-ended, no-restrictions, no-matter-the-cost coverage? If so, who will pay for it (since obviously the private sector refuses to)? If it's the taxpayers who pay for it, do you think that it's a bottomless pit of funds? If so, where wil this bottomless pit of money come from? Do you think it will come from the rich folks? If so, have you seen the figures that suggest the top tax-brackets are not deep enough to cover this free-for-all, bottomless pit, no-restrictions-to-coverage you advocate for?

Of course, none of that matters. Obama and Democrats proposed it, so it MUST be viable.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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". . . . the majority of Americans still have health insurance through their job and most of them are happy with it. . . ." -- Obama 9/8/09

Perhaps Obama's worried that his stimulus may continue to put more and more out of work.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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Perhaps Obama understand that insurance coverage can be fleeting. One minute, you have a 100% HMO, love your doctor and are healthy. A couple months later, your company shuts down, you develop cancer and have no options. How would you feel if this was your child? Your mother? Or like me, your Aunt.
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