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Old 09-11-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The public option is nothing but a bailout for insurance companies.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

Obama seeks to reassure insurance companies, Republicans in speech to Congress on health care
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:56 AM
 
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The very insurers Pelosi et.al. are sharpening their claws for will get 10 million new clients to boost their profits.

Pelosi’s ‘Immoral’ Insurers May Gain in Obama Plan (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Neither insurance companies nor pharmaceutical companies need bailouts but they will get a windfall.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:59 AM
 
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I encourage you to study Congressman Ryan's "Roadmap For America's Future." It's a more free market oriented plan for health care reform which would ensure universal access to health insurance; strengthen Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security; lift the debt from future generations; and promote economic growth and job creation in America.


YouTube - Rep Paul Ryan (WI-01) - "A Roadmap For America's Future"

One of the reasons why so many conservatives are angry with President Obama, is that he was voting against all such health care reform proposals as a senator.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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I encourage you to study Congressman Ryan's "Roadmap For America's Future." It's a more free market oriented plan for health care reform which would ensure universal access to health insurance; strengthen Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security; lift the debt from future generations; and promote economic growth and job creation in America.

One of the reasons why so many conservatives are angry with President Obama, is that he was voting against all such health care reform proposals as a senator.
I don't want insurance. I want health care when I need it and I want that for everyone.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:11 PM
 
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I don't want insurance. I want health care when I need it and I want that for everyone.
There's no such thing as a right to health care in America. If it was, it would have been included in the Bill of Rights—it's not as if doctors are a new invention, and weren't around back when the Bill of Rights was adopted. In any case, doctors are free individuals who should not be forced to serve others at the point of a gun. How would you like it if your profession was socialized, and the government micromanaged every aspect of it, including where you should work (as is done in Scandinavia)? Socialized health care ensures poor quality in health care, low availability, shortage of doctors, and very long lines. It strangles innovation, and not to mention, the U.S. cannot afford it. It's both immoral and impractical. Freedom in health care is the only path forward.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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The majority of bankruptcies in the US is caused by healthcare costs.
The majority of those are middle class people who work, are insured, and the insurance either dropped them or refused to cover them because they were getting too expensive.
They are people like me, and perhaps, you.

If you were sick and your insurance would no longer cover you and you were strapped for cash, you would mortgage your home and then not be able to pay the mortgage. You might have a job, but not enough to pay all the bills.

The fact is that the marketplace is no longer servicing this segment of society. People, increasing numbers, cannot afford to keep body and soul together. This could be you or I one day.

We cannot just throw these people by the wayside.

These are no longer people who are druggies or alcoholics and contributed to their own demise. THey are our neighbors, our kids, us.

The whole of our society is being dragged down by this. People do not start small businesses because of these costs. Our companies go overseas to hire people whose governments pay for their health care.

It is a huge crack in our great system.

We can no longer afford to allow this situation to continue.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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There's no such thing as a right to health care in America. If it was, it would have been included in the Bill of Rights...
If not for the ninth amendment.
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Old 09-11-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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There's no such thing as a right to health care in America.
That's for the Supreme Court to decide.
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Old 09-11-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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No different than the porkulus, I mean stimulus...it was just a poorly disguised transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy with a few crumbs thrown to others.
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