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OK, one more and then we'll probably be asked to take this to the ed forum. My daughter went to St. Olaf. About 50% of St. Olaf students are from out-of-state, with Colorado being a significant portion after the midwest. So yeah, a lot of people out here have heard of St. Olaf, and frankly, if you go to a small private college, it is often seen as a positive.
I understand very well how FAFSA works, having put two kids through college. That statement about needing to be 'nearly destitute' came from a link from the St. Olaf financial aid page.
Small world (St. Olaf). Beautiful campus by the way! Bad example (St. Olaf has a recognized music program). Let's say Augsburg college. Who are they to people in FL (for instance)?? There are regional benefits for going private (good old boy network).
My point of college related to the health care debate is "pay what you can" is also found in the college. People don't save on the bubble because if they do, they don't get any funding.
Another point. When school, medical, housing, cars (for clunkers), have subsidized elements, it raises the price of the product. So one reason why colleges are expensive (as well as healthcare) is someone else is footing the bill.
Yes. Private colleges get "free" money. Like donations from alumni (measured in the millions), student loans (6% default rate) and cheap subsidized interest, federal tuition assistance, state tuition assistance etc.
All I am saying is ONE reason why health care is so expensive is because people don't have to pay the final bill. If they did, it would cost a lot less. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a solution to have people foot a $200K operation because there will always be insurance involved. But if we have universal plan where we have a low deductible, watch the demand skyrocket. To me, the obvious need in health care is to have a higher deductible. I high deductible will control the knee-jerk demand as well as keep down the total operating costs.
So why would you assume that I'd send my Kid's to private college?? Just curious...
Last edited by MN-Born-n-Raised; 09-17-2009 at 02:25 PM..
lack of a HC insurance policy does not equal death fear monger. Go to the damn hospital and you won't die. See how easy that is? Why in the world do you people make it out to be something it isn't?
Go to the emergency room, ask for a routine preventive prostate cancer exam, but tell them you are uninsured and they will laugh you out the door. Who told you that you will not get billed by the hospital after you are treated in the emergncy room? Why in the world do you people form opinions that are so obviously uninformed opinions?
Go to the emergency room, ask for a routine preventive prostate cancer exam, but tell them you are uninsured and they will laugh you out the door. Who told you that you will not get billed by the hospital after you are treated in the emergncy room? Why in the world do you people form opinions that are so obviously uninformed opinions?
A couple of things. They are not going to laugh you out the door.
You need to read his words. He was talking about "death" (not routine prostate cancer exam). Meaning, you are not going to die.
Pay for the routine prostate cancer exam if you think you need one. Saying that, I understand what you are saying. The ER technique is for emergencies (dieing).
Oh please Mn. Let's rephrase thAt then shal we. Go to the er for weekly chemotherapy. Yiou won't get it. How about a masectomy. IFC it's not emergent the hospital is under no obigation to treat. It's a fact that people die for lack of insurance. Er is under no obligation to treat in the long term and the drugstore doesn't take IOU ! How do you pay for pills that arebeyond your means.
My daughter called last night to say she was rushing my sister's husband to the hospital. He had some kind of nuclear test yesterday and the doctor called last night and told my sister to get the guy to the emergency room. He has a badly damaged heart. He has no insurance! Why did he have a doctor? What was he doing having a test done? Why did the doctor tell him to go to the hospital? Those who want UHC claim he will not be treated because he has NO INSURANCE. He is still in the hospital! The doctor, the hospital and everyone else knows he has no insurance. He won't work. He is in his mid 50's so is not eligible for medicare. My sister only gets about $300 a month for SS. This just can't be!!
Again, this is an education issue on the OP's part.
Oh please Mn. Let's rephrase thAt then shal we. Go to the er for weekly chemotherapy. Yiou won't get it. How about a masectomy. IFC it's not emergent the hospital is under no obigation to treat. It's a fact that people die for lack of insurance. Er is under no obligation to treat in the long term and the drugstore doesn't take IOU ! How do you pay for pills that arebeyond your means.
We are done. Oh. Please use your spell checker. You lose your credibility (other than using the wrong facts).
If you don't understand how costs for medical treatment are hidden in everything from our taxes to our insurance premiums to our out-of-pocket expenses to the cost of goods and services we pay for, you haven't been reading the thread.
Actually I have been reading this thread. Thanks!
You however, jumped all over me without even a thought as to what I was trying to say.
Go to the emergency room, ask for a routine preventive prostate cancer exam, but tell them you are uninsured and they will laugh you out the door. Who told you that you will not get billed by the hospital after you are treated in the emergncy room? Why in the world do you people form opinions that are so obviously uninformed opinions?
No, they'll give you the name, address, and phone number of a local free community clinic and send you on your way.
No, they'll give you the name, address, and phone number of a local free community clinic and send you on your way.
Not every community has such clinics. In my area, the best you can do at the community health centers is sliding scale, and the income cut-off for paying full fee is pretty low.
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Bad example (St. Olaf has a recognized music program). Let's say Augsburg college. 
Who are they to people in FL (for instance)?? There are regional benefits for going private (good old boy network). 
The doctor, the hospital and everyone else knows he has no insurance. He won't work. He is in his mid 50's so is not eligible for medicare. My sister only gets about $300 a month for SS. This just can't be!!
