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Old 09-13-2009, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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So what you're getting at is no matter what government program is enacted it's always over budget. I'll agree. It's got an almost 100% success rate for doing so... So what you're agreeing with is Obama's plan is also grossly underestimated in it's cost?
Well, you might be able to draw that conclusion about Bush's Medicare prescription nightmare, if all you were looking at is the one-line statement quoted here.
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In 2003, President Bush and the Republican Congress enacted a Medicare prescription drug expansion. It was originally expected to cost $400 billion, but just two years later the cost was revised upward to $1.2 trillion.
Problem is, surprise, surprise, BUSH LIED to Congress about the actual cost estimates, and threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary if he disclosed the true budget estimates prior to the vote.
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The chief Medicare actuary, Richard S. Foster, told Congress on Wednesday that last June he provided the White House with data indicating that prescription drug legislation would cost 25 percent to 50 percent more than the Bush administration's public estimates. That information did not make its way to Congress for six more months.

Mr. Foster said he had shared his cost estimates with Doug Badger, the president's special assistant for health policy, and with James C. Capretta, associate director of the White House Office of Management and Budget. But he said that Thomas A. Scully, who was then administrator of the Medicare program, directed him to withhold the information from Congress, citing orders from the White House in one instance.

Bush Medicare Official Says He was Ordered to Conceal Data on Prescription Drug Plan
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Well, you might be able to draw that conclusion about Bush's Medicare prescription nightmare, if all you were looking at is the one-line statement quoted here. Problem is, surprise, surprise, BUSH LIED to Congress about the actual cost estimates, and threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary if he disclosed the true budget estimates prior to the vote.
Would it make you feel better if you knew that at least one Medicare recipient of nearly 12 years has never taken a penny in prescription drugs? I pay for my own because it is only about $125 per month and I do get more than that in my huge SS check.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Would it make you feel better if you knew that at least one Medicare recipient of nearly 12 years has never taken a penny in prescription drugs? I pay for my own because it is only about $125 per month and I do get more than that in my huge SS check.
Why would that make me feel better about my president lying to me, once again, lying to Congress and threatening a man's job and livelihood if he didn't get his way, like the spoiled rotten petulant child he is, and thereby costing all of us billions and billions and billions in tax dollars, whether it's going to you personally or not?

And that wasn't the only crap he pulled to get that piece of garbage legislation passed. Google "Congressman Nick Smith threatened on House floor", you might learn something.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why would that make me feel better about my president lying to me, once again, lying to Congress and threatening a man's job and livelihood if he didn't get his way, like the spoiled rotten petulant child he is, and thereby costing all of us billions and billions and billions in tax dollars, whether it's going to you personally or not?

And that wasn't the only crap he pulled to get that piece of garbage legislation passed. Google "Congressman Nick Smith threatened on House floor", you might learn something.
Like Bush was the only President to lie to get what he wanted ?
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Like Bush was the only President to lie to get what he wanted ?
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about Nixon. He did it, too. What was I thinking? That makes it okay then.

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Old 09-13-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about Nixon. He did it, too. What was I thinking? That makes it okay then.

Ok so only Republican Presidents lie. What do Democratic Presidents do ?
We're making progress here.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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We have a thread topic.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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We have a thread topic.
Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing. Seems when they can't actually defend their boy's actions, they just deflect, deflect, deflect. Typical.

The POINT is, GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE WAS SOOOOOOOOO IMPORTANT FOR BUSH TO GET PASSED, that he LIED TO CONGRESS AND THREATENED A MAN'S JOB in order to hide the true cost of the plan, as well as had his flunky Tom DeLay ATTEMPT TO BRIBE AND THEN THREATEN Nick Smith on the House floor.

But government run health care is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, eeeeeeeeeeeevil, soooooooooooooocialist.

Good grief you guys are hypocrites.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Well, you might be able to draw that conclusion about Bush's Medicare prescription nightmare, if all you were looking at is the one-line statement quoted here. Problem is, surprise, surprise, BUSH LIED to Congress about the actual cost estimates, and threatened to fire Medicare's chief actuary if he disclosed the true budget estimates prior to the vote.

2003?

Hmm, what else was going on in 2003?

Oh yeah, that's right. Kerry was trying to out promise him to elderly voters who wanted their grandchildren to pay for their prescriptions.

Do you believe the program would cost less if Kerry won the 2004 election?

Do you think the federal government should allow seniors to pay for their own prescriptions?
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Interesting.


Those gosh darned Republicans!

I'm gonna run right out and vote for a Libertarian who doesn't have a snow ball's chance in Hell of actually winning because I want liberal Democrats to continue to destroy America.
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