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And if they are a racist, they are gonna say - "Because I am a racist" - ????
I am talking about folks - on this forum and in the media - who have immediately dismissed anyone who disagrees with Obama as a RACIST.
People on this forum are no representation of anyone I know or interact with in my everyday life.
People that assume that all Black people voted for Obama or supported Obama are like the people that would assume that everyone that dsagrees with him is a racist. I figure they are low on the IQ range, and not worth much of my time.
Personally, I don't know many people that DO make the assumption that any disagreement is based on race. Sorry, your experience is not mine.
Well, I find it troubling. When folks do this - immediately dismiss someone as being "racist" or "biased b/c of race preference" - discussions stop and the divide widens.
which is where asking "why" comes into play.
If someone can't or won't tell you why they feel a certain way about something they do not want to start a discussion or close the divide, so you're wasting your time trying to talk to them.
I have a coworker who I refuse to talk to about anything except work or the weather because she never has anything valid to say to back her opinions.
As a minority, I think its terrible that our first minority President is someone with such a radical background and politics and such an inability to understand, identify with, or communicate with mainstream America. I am embarassed by people like Barack and Michelle Obama, Jeremiah Wright, Henry Louis Gates, Sonia Sotomayor, Kanye West/Beyonce, and the illegal immigrant protestors who waved Mexican and Central American flags on our soil. I really wished our first minority president had been someone like Michael Steele, Bobby Jindal or Colin Powell.
Colin Powell would make a brilliant president. But Steele and Jindahl? Oh Lord no! Steele is just unlikeable. Jindahl is the Indian Mr Rogers who wishes he wasn't an Indian. As you know, his real name is Piyush. Not "Bobby Joe Jim Bob."
Telling minorities to ignore race is about the most ignorant, stupid idea ever. If anything, minorities need to be more perceptive of race. We as minorities should first acknowledge that we all come from different cultures and different places and we've all been discriminated against in different ways but in America we're all second class citizens therefore we should stand in solidarity with each others movements. Hispanics should support Black nationalism, Blacks should support Aztlan, I could go on and on here but to save time let's just say minorities should support everything that is detrimental to the health of this white settler nation.
I think it occurs on all sides of the political spectrum. Sometimes the background information on a person is helpful in understanding their views on a subject. However, too often (on all sides) the background information is provided to influence your opinion of what is about to be said.
I agree - the background can be helpful in knowing what has shaped someone's views.
I have felt very discouraged with the national discourse going on re: our President's policies. I have felt that some folks out there are simply opposed b/c they dislike Obama (maybe b/c he is black - maybe for other reasons) and some folks are sincere (and race is not a factor). But in either case, it seems that both sides are throwing the race card out instead of discussing the MERITS of the policies and focusing on the positives and negatives. The discussion gets shifted to RACE when race should not be factoring into the discussion - as these are national issues that affect all of us, regardless of race.
I got discouraged when I saw folks marching with signs that were focused more on Obama's race than his policies.
That means that for all the sincere people who have real reasons for opposing Obama's policies - those few signs reduced everyone participating to being viewed as racists.
And it shouldn't be that anyone who is black and supports Obama will be labeled as "biased." It just seems sad to me that we can't get past skin color. I thought we had and it appears we have not.
People on this forum are no representation of anyone I know or interact with in my everyday life.
People that assume that all Black people voted for Obama or supported Obama are like the people that would assume that everyone that dsagrees with him is a racist. I figure they are low on the IQ range, and not worth much of my time.
Personally, I don't know many people that DO make the assumption that any disagreement is based on race. Sorry, your experience is not mine.
You don't watch TV or read this forum?
In my "real life" I have not heard anyone make the charge that someone agrees or disagrees with the President based solely on race.
But on TV- I have heard this many times - and on this forum - regularly.
In fact, Rick Santorum was just discussing racism on CNN.
If someone can't or won't tell you why they feel a certain way about something they do not want to start a discussion or close the divide, so you're wasting your time trying to talk to them.
I have a coworker who I refuse to talk to about anything except work or the weather because she never has anything valid to say to back her opinions.
Good strategy! I agree - some folks are not worth having a discussion with or even attempt to try to close the divide.
I agree - the background can be helpful in knowing what has shaped someone's views.
I have felt very discouraged with the national discourse going on re: our President's policies. I have felt that some folks out there are simply opposed b/c they dislike Obama (maybe b/c he is black - maybe for other reasons) and some folks are sincere (and race is not a factor). But in either case, it seems that both sides are throwing the race card out instead of discussing the MERITS of the policies and focusing on the positives and negatives. The discussion gets shifted to RACE when race should not be factoring into the discussion - as these are national issues that affect all of us, regardless of race.
I got discouraged when I saw folks marching with signs that were focused more on Obama's race than his policies.
That means that for all the sincere people who have real reasons for opposing Obama's policies - those few signs reduced everyone participating to being viewed as racists.
And it shouldn't be that anyone who is black and supports Obama will be labeled as "biased." It just seems sad to me that we can't get past skin color. I thought we had and it appears we have not.
I agree with 99% of this. The only area in which we part ways is the relative "few" people who either verbally or with signs, express racist views of President Obama. I think there are many, not few. And they're drowning people like you, out.
I never thought we were past this, I'm just shocked at how many of our elected representatives are willing to go out and egg these people on instead of denouncing them so they can discuss the real issues. It's almost disheartening, except that I won't allow any of that to prevent me from attempting an honest discourse.
...we're all second class citizens therefore we should stand in solidarity with each others movements. Hispanics should support Black nationalism, Blacks should support Aztlan, I could go on and on here but to save time let's just say minorities should support everything that is detrimental to the health of this white settler nation.
Yay let's stand together and support each other's inferiority complexes!!!!
As a human being, this post embarrasses me.
Why would Black people support Aztlan? I'm Latina and I dont support Aztlan. They're the brown version of white nationalists. OH YEAH--- WE MUST BLAME EVERYTHING ON WHITE PEOPLE AT ALLL TIMES I FORGOT
I agree with 99% of this. The only area in which we part ways is the relative "few" people who either verbally or with signs, express racist views of President Obama. I think there are many, not few. And they're drowning people like you, out.
I never thought we were past this, I'm just shocked at how many of our elected representatives are willing to go out and egg these people on instead of denouncing them so they can discuss the real issues. It's almost disheartening, except that I won't allow any of that to prevent me from attempting an honest discourse.
There are many people who do want a real discussion and to learn about different perspectives on an issues, even if that discussion sometimes gets drowned out by folks on the periphery.
I did assume it was only a "few" people who were racist. And I still hope that is correct. But after seeing some of the signs folks were holding, I have wondered.
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