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Old 11-07-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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I know it is by origin a pejorative term. I do know a few Dominicans and some Puerto Ricans who have flipped it though.
Still nowhere near the level of "ni**a" being embraced in black America

 
Old 11-20-2013, 01:42 PM
 
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Actually a lot of these social constructed issues and struggle with blackness stem from the Arab colonialism and Arab slave trade. It goes back to ancient times and olden days. Arab slave trade promulgated the oppression and denigration and issues that blacks would face globally and abroad and lead to white supremacy and European colonialism and the slave trade that was conducted by Europeans. It was the Arabs that started it all.

But then again it all stems from an issue among the human race. Every society had slavery and oppression of human beings.
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It is really simplistic to reduce Sub Saharans as being victims of the slave trade. Just as certain warlaords today enrich themselves from blood diamonds so did many of the politics elites of major SubSaharan kingdoms/empires enrich themselves from the slave trade. It was a commodity for sell just as ivory, gold and other items were.

The fact that Arabs and Europeans probably benefitted more at the time, and definitely so in the long term is beside the point.

Evidence of this is the fcat that 85% of the slaves in teh TransAtlantic trade were taking from the regions extending from todays Ghana to Angola. Only 10% from the regions extending from Senegal to Ivory Coast, even though these areas were closer to the Americas. The Asantis, Dahomey, Yoruba, various groups in the Calabar region, and the Bakongo and other kingdoms in the Congo basin and Angola were very involved in slavery. Indeed the Dahomey kingdom was almsot 100% built on the slave trade.

And no one can conviunce me that these people felt inferior to any one. Definitely not the Akan peoples, who were well known to be rebellious people. Or the Yorubas, who at their peak ran cities as large and as complex as those of Europe in the 16-17th centuries, even if not with buildings as impressive. A Dutch trader remarked on how well maintained and clean these Yoruba towns were, with human waste taking into farming areas for conversion into fertilizer. The Benin peoples (a subset of the Yoruba) were well respected as metal workers, and those who sold them could command top dollar.

West Africa only began to become dominated by Europeans in the mid/late 19th century AFTER the peak years of the slave trade. Clearly they feared the power of these kingdoms, so preferred to negotiate the purchase of slaves rather than snatching these people themselves.
 
Old 11-20-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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Bull....all the same music...




Have you ever called a "black and proud" Dominican a "cocolo"?? If you have...even coming from a black man... I find it hard to believe it ended well.

There is a population of Dominicans, people descended from the West Indians who went to cut cane in the early 20th C who apparently have no problem with the term Cocolo. Or so I have been told by Dominicans...even if there is some evidence that it was used as an epithet in the early days, with reference to the texture of their hair. With their English last names, and residual elements of the West Indian culture, some do retain a sens eof unique identity.

I have noticed that when PR govt promotes its culture it often icludes the most African elements...bomba. The DR govt promotes the more Euro end of the Afro Euro creole continuum. Ponder as to why this is the case. Maybe they fear that the more African end will indicate that there exists cultural overlap with Haiti? Because it definitely exists.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 10:16 AM
 
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One of the reasons Dominicans and Haitians, for the most part, look so different.

But...black is black....if it's perceptible. You're black lol. And if you are perceptibly black..that supersedes everything else. This is seriously the long winded point the OP is trying to get to but simply won't say it.
True to an extent, but it's flawed to say that because one side had more slaves it made them look or is the reason that one looks blacker than the other. Demographics can easily change through migrations and immigration or one group rising or taking over etc. Mexico City was almost entirely black for very long time but migrations shifted demographics and migrations to other areas.

If 20 million Chinese all of a sudden immigrate to DR and remain there that alone and in and of itself can change DR and it's culture and demographics. You can't say oh well one is because of something or a circumstance or because of a destiny. It just is what is or whatever it is regardless.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 10:18 AM
 
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There is a population of Dominicans, people descended from the West Indians who went to cut cane in the early 20th C who apparently have no problem with the term Cocolo. Or so I have been told by Dominicans...even if there is some evidence that it was used as an epithet in the early days, with reference to the texture of their hair. With their English last names, and residual elements of the West Indian culture, some do retain a sens eof unique identity.

I have noticed that when PR govt promotes its culture it often icludes the most African elements...bomba. The DR govt promotes the more Euro end of the Afro Euro creole continuum. Ponder as to why this is the case. Maybe they fear that the more African end will indicate that there exists cultural overlap with Haiti? Because it definitely exists.
Cocolos began arriving to DR beginning in the 1800s and continuous migrations and back and forth continuously occurred.

Cocolos are also known as "Guloyas".
 
Old 12-11-2013, 10:13 PM
 
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Cocolos began arriving to DR beginning in the 1800s and continuous migrations and back and forth continuously occurred.

Cocolos are also known as "Guloyas".

Actually Guloyas is the Dominican name for the Christmas masquerades from the USVI, and the Leeward Islands (related to the masquerades of Guyana, Jon Crow from Jamaica and Gumbe from the Bahamas). It is especially popular in St Kitts. It combines costumes and music from south east Nigeria with the British militia music.

They have moko yombe which are stilt dancers. These are known as moko jumbies elsewhere in the Caribbean. Dominicans can't pronounce certain words so it became Dominicanised. Just as "johnny cake" became "yonny keke".
 
Old 03-22-2014, 12:45 AM
 
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I bet the same people that bash and accuse Dominicans of self hate are the same ones that go to Dominican Republic (DR) for a mail order bride or sex tourism escapades or to the Dominican hair salons to get their hair "did" and straightened out.

#Hypocrisy

The people often making the accusations of self hate probably are internally broken and self hating with their own insecurities themselves.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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I believe we are the only country in the world that 'qualifies' itself with two nationalities, i.e. Mexican-American. I worked with a man from Mexico who told me there there is no such thing as a 'Mexican-American'. Unless, they were born in Mexico, people born in America are American. That's it. Go to any country in Europe and ask someone their nationality, they will say only the country they were born, not the country of their ancestors.
This is how it used to be in the U.S. before the 1980s rolled around and the word "African-American" was popularized by a racist. After that, everybody wanted to be known as a hyphenated American.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Dominicans embrace their African ancestry and celebrate it everyday. They just don't identify in one droppist modes or ways. They identify as multiracial and multiethnic and mixed race. Most of Dominican Republic is mixed race.
 
Old 03-23-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Dominicans embrace their African ancestry and celebrate it everyday. They just don't identify in one droppist modes or ways. They identify as multiracial and multiethnic and mixed race. Most of Dominican Republic is mixed race.
So what? Do Dominicans want a cookie for that too? Most black Americans are also of mixed race ancestry. What difference does it make?
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