Dominicans Struggle With Blackness (Barack Obama, Ohio, Oklahoma, war)
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African Americans struggle with blackness too. All black sub groups in the Americas do.
That's just the way it is when you live in a white dominated society that constructed these nations the way that the Europeans did.
And thank you. African Americans (AAs) and other black identified people and groups are in no way shape or form a divine group or have room to be speaking on how Dominicans or others should identify. Many black groups worldwide have these issues of colorism and self hatred.
Many Jamaicans and Nigerians have many issues with their skin color and skin bleaching in these parts of the world are alarmingly on the rise.
Also many African Americans, Afro Caribbeans, and even Afro Latinos rush to Dominican salons throughout the globe to "get their hair did" and straightened and/or permed out, since Dominican women are known for their amazing hair techniques and salon and beautification skills and techniques.
So other black peoples are in no room to speak on Dominicans issues when these issues are still prevalent among themselves. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. (no pun intended)
Actually a lot of these social constructed issues and struggle with blackness stem from the Arab colonialism and Arab slave trade. It goes back to ancient times and olden days. Arab slave trade promulgated the oppression and denigration and issues that blacks would face globally and abroad and lead to white supremacy and European colonialism and the slave trade that was conducted by Europeans. It was the Arabs that started it all.
But then again it all stems from an issue among the human race. Every society had slavery and oppression of human beings.
And the irony of that is the Moors, who were really the proto-capitalists of civilization, were a very diverse group. Their complexion spanned the spectrum.
But yes, they taught the game to the Euros. The Euros just mastered it.
Well how many blacks are gonna go out and get a DNA test? I mean, regardless of the results, we still have to live HERE, not in Africa.
You don't have to live HERE. If you want to go (back) to Africa you can go. No one is stopping y'all.
I think people should take more pride in their nationality and culture. It's a place many groups including blacks and slaves of all races and racial admixtures helped to build.
Well who does he speak for? I don't think Tupac, if he was alive, is any more or less qualified to speak for the African-American struggle than Farrakhan. You and I don't know the mans struggle.
So you think W.E.B Dubois was a better figurehead than Marcus Garvey simply because of the whereabouts? We can agree to disagree...I like the anti-establishment icon over the shill anyday. W.E.B Dubois message is embodied today in our President...who is a tool for the totalitarian state.
Maybe Farrakhan doesn't represent the direction of Black America in the most positive light but he does focus, extensively, on the importance of family values and wants to sse Black Americans to assimilate to the culture of a western nuclear family.
I don't get your comment. All I did was correct your stereotyping and ASSumptions you made using Farrakhan as an example. There was nothing to agree or disagree about. I was simply just stating facts.
So where is all of this other stuff coming from?
Anyways, to answer you statements etc, Marcus Garvey is Jamaican born and raised and spent time in Latin America as well.
I dont agree with Marcus Garvey because of his hypocritical stances and opportunism. He was an opportunist and corrupt individual. He was also anti light skinned and anti mixed and a colorist and racist bigot in many ways.
Next how and why are you bashing Farrakhan in the previous post but now praising and lauding him in this post? (Correct me if I read or misinterpreted wrong)
I illustrated the fact that Farrakhan is NOT of any African American descent. He is West Indian/Caribbean American. I illustrated that just because an individual may be black doesn't mean that they are AA and that you can't assign a stereotype on people based on ASSumptions and stereotyping. That's like doing the very same thing to Dominicans or what some may even do to your wife (no disrespect intended) who is a Dominican of (mixed Afrodescent). In addition you imposed one droppism on Farrakhan who has significant mixed ancestry. You can't do or impose things on people that you abhor when it's done to you or others that are close to you or those that you care about.
And keep in mind that some or rather many aspects or negative ills that are marketed as or promoted as being part of black Americana or African Americana often times may not be traditional or true aspects of true AA culture etc. Lots of things are stereotypes that ppl single out that came from other black groups that migrated to the USA more recently and they are slapped with the AA label and thus people single out AAs and falsely label it as being part of theif history and culture or their experience when it's really NON AA blacks fault.
In addition, secondly let's also not forget about the bull**** and negative aspects of mainstream WHITE culture if one is going to start calling out people by race. In addition negative aspects of cultures occur in ALL races and groups of people all across the board.
But what exactly does "struggle with blackness" mean?
To look in the mirror and see that you are dark skinned? I don't know any AA or Dominican, except Sammy Sosa, that would deny this.
Is it denying your African roots? No AA does this...and any Dominican you may stumble across would cede to this as well as long as the logistics of the premise is understood..."you have African in you to.some degree"
Educated Dominicans realize they were oppressed, maimed and raped by Haitians for a long time. They are not in denial of anything.
If the OP means that Dominicans struggle with their blackness because they understand the history. Well...that's fair enough.
But I am inclined to believe that the OP is subscribing to the "You are looked at in America as a n****r just like the rest of us" rhetoric.
And that is just not true. Even for AA's...
Dominicans, including even the dark skinned ones are often not accepted and treated as black because people are inclined to treat anything that is Spanish speaking or Hispanic/Latino as a race lol. So even when some Dominicans do self identify as black, other black people tell them that they aren't black enough because they speak Spanish or they aren't AA etc. Zoe Saldana received hate from some black people for her being cast in the role of Nina Simone, yet years before many blacks were pressuring Zoe Saldana to stress her blackness since they assumed she was in denial of her blackness or African roots. Then when she does claim it, then there is hate thrown her way.
I don't get your comment. All I did was correct your stereotyping and ASSumptions you made using Farrakhan as an example. There was nothing to agree or disagree about. I was simply just stating facts.
So where is all of this other stuff coming from?
Anyways, to answer you statements etc, Marcus Garvey is Jamaican born and raised and spent time in Latin America as well.
I dont agree with Marcus Garvey because of his hypocritical stances and opportunism. He was an opportunist and corrupt individual. He was also anti light skinned and anti mixed and a colorist and racist bigot in many ways.
Next how and why are you bashing Farrakhan in the previous post but now praising and lauding him in this post? (Correct me if I read or misinterpreted wrong)
I illustrated the fact that Farrakhan is NOT of any African American descent. He is West Indian/Caribbean American. I illustrated that just because an individual may be black doesn't mean that they are AA and that you can't assign a stereotype on people based on ASSumptions and stereotyping. That's like doing the very same thing to Dominicans or what some may even do to your wife (no disrespect intended) who is a Dominican of (mixed Afrodescent). In addition you imposed one droppism on Farrakhan who has significant mixed ancestry. You can't do or impose things on people that you abhor when it's done to you or others that are close to you or those that you care about.
And keep in mind that some or rather many aspects or negative ills that are marketed as or promoted as being part of black Americana or African Americana often times may not be traditional or true aspects of true AA culture etc. Lots of things are stereotypes that ppl single out that came from other black groups that migrated to the USA more recently and they are slapped with the AA label and thus people single out AAs and falsely label it as being part of theif history and culture or their experience when it's really NON AA blacks fault.
In addition, secondly let's also not forget about the bull**** and negative aspects of mainstream WHITE culture if one is going to start calling out people by race. In addition negative aspects of cultures occur in ALL races and groups of people all across the board.
Wow...reel yourself in. You just went on an extremely long winded rant. A rant you set up by applying your own context to my comment.
In no way did I bash Farrakhan.
And again, you use the misnomer "mixed Afrodescent". It's a word that inherently implies that "afro" supersedes or, at the very least, is the greater portion of the makeup of ones lineage. And you have NO WAY to quantify that when attaching the claim to my wife. So, what are you basing that label claim on?
Well who does he speak for? I don't think Tupac, if he was alive, is any more or less qualified to speak for the African-American struggle than Farrakhan. You and I don't know the mans struggle.
So you think W.E.B Dubois was a better figurehead than Marcus Garvey simply because of the whereabouts? We can agree to disagree...I like the anti-establishment icon over the shill anyday. W.E.B Dubois message is embodied today in our President...who is a tool for the totalitarian state.
Maybe Farrakhan doesn't represent the direction of Black America in the most positive light but he does focus, extensively, on the importance of family values and wants to sse Black Americans to assimilate to the culture of a western nuclear family.
Farrakhan and Garvey's school of thought come from minority sectors of West Indian Afrocentric conciousness movements which I dont agree with. None of their ideas or those of the divisive and racist black power movements stem from true traditional AAs or their Civil Rights movement which helped to further unite and integrate all peoples into and for a better USA. Civil Rights movement was a good movement that helped pave the way for all peoples and other future movements.
Farrakhan's stances I feel are counter productive and hypocritical. He occasionally makes some good points and is thought provoking at times.
Farrakhan is hateful and divisive sadly enough.
What I find interesting about Farrakhan is that he claims to be for black liberation yet he supports Arabs and other groups that have had a history in oppressing blacks. He rejects Christianity but yet embraces Islam which was and still is oppressing blacks in Africa and the Middle East. During the Darfur wars and Sudan he donated money to the Arab and Muslim militias which are brutally oppressing the black African peoples in the then Sudanese lands. He gave money to them supporting them in some sort of brotherhood. Meanwhile that money was used to help oppress the Africans.
In addition another thing I find funny and hypocritical is that many of these Afrocentric plays and Afrocentric hoes as many term it, often speak out against race mixing and interracialism but meanwhile have mixed race children themselves and white husbands and white wives themselves. It's hypocritical, to despise it but then engage in it yourself.
In fact many of these Afrocentric peoples have worked behind the scenes with KKK members and other white supremacists peoples and groups because they both were two sides of the same coin promoting their hate and division and proclaimed self preservation. They worked together to help keep the divide alive.
Would you deny that many black female slaves in America were raped and impregnated by slave masters and civilians alike? I think it's dishonest to trivialize it.
According to a few genetic studies more than 40% of the European ancestry found in African Americans comes from WHITE women.
Based on genetic studies for DR, the matrilineal lineage of Dominicans tends to often come from African females.
Farrakhan and Garvey's school of thought come from minority sectors of West Indian Afrocentric conciousness movements which I dont agree with. None of their ideas or those of the divisive and racist black power movements stem from true traditional AAs or their Civil Rights movement which helped to further unite and integrate all peoples into and for a better USA. Civil Rights movement was a good movement that helped pave the way for all peoples and other future movements.
Farrakhan's stances I feel are counter productive and hypocritical. He occasionally makes some good points and is thought provoking at times.
Farrakhan is hateful and divisive sadly enough.
What I find interesting about Farrakhan is that he claims to be for black liberation yet he supports Arabs and other groups that have had a history in oppressing blacks. He rejects Christianity but yet embraces Islam which was and still is oppressing blacks in Africa and the Middle East. During the Darfur wars and Sudan he donated money to the Arab and Muslim militias which are brutally oppressing the black African peoples in the then Sudanese lands. He gave money to them supporting them in some sort of brotherhood. Meanwhile that money was used to help oppress the Africans.
In addition another thing I find funny and hypocritical is that many of these Afrocentric plays and Afrocentric hoes as many term it, often speak out against race mixing and interracialism but meanwhile have mixed race children themselves and white husbands and white wives themselves. It's hypocritical, to despise it but then engage in it yourself.
In fact many of these Afrocentric peoples have worked behind the scenes with KKK members and other white supremacists peoples and groups because they both were two sides of the same coin promoting their hate and division and proclaimed self preservation. They worked together to help keep the divide alive.
On the first point, that is exactly my point....your Dubois', Douglass' and MLK's just wished to see black americans integrate and assimilate into, what is now an imperialist regime.
Garvey wanted no part of it. Granted, he was self serving....as is any socio-political figurehead. But I digress.
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