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Old 09-18-2009, 03:37 PM
 
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Regarding doctors there is one major problem that nobody is addressing. We currently have a shortage of doctors especially family or general practice doctors. At my current location I called to make a appointment and was given one seven weeks later. Now imagine that national healthcare goes through. If everyone has healthcare you will not be able to get an appointment to see a doctor for years. If you require surgery you will be in big trouble. I think there will be many doctors quitting out of frustration or transferring to specialties.
I often said the Obama was the best used car salesman I ever heard. I now think he has a God complex. How can any educated man believe that he can snap his fingers and make national healthcare appear over night? We are in dire need of healthcare reform but let's do it the right way and phase it in over a number of years.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Add 48 million Americans to the insurance rolls and subtract 45% of doctors and we'll get rationed healthcare whether anyone wants it or not.
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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I don;t think mnay will consider quitting but i thinok definely many that are the top in coming years will choose another professin and skip teh long years it takes to be a doctor and the expense of gwetting started after that.It will lead to a dumbing- down of the medical profession.Also many now will stop taking certain patients that are at the top of their field and don't need any new patients.
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I don;t think mnay will consider quitting but i thinok definely many that are the top in coming years will choose another professin and skip teh long years it takes to be a doctor and the expense of gwetting started after that.It will lead to a dumbing- down of the medical profession.Also many now will stop taking certain patients that are at the top of their field and don't need any new patients.
I know..we'll import a bunch of H1B doctors..I'm sure medical school in other countries are cheap. It happened with computer science in India and China. Only those jobs got offshored instead of inshored.
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don;t think mnay will consider quitting but i thinok definely many that are the top in coming years will choose another professin and skip teh long years it takes to be a doctor and the expense of gwetting started after that.It will lead to a dumbing- down of the medical profession.Also many now will stop taking certain patients that are at the top of their field and don't need any new patients.
I tend to like Indian doctors. They tend to know what they're talking about.

We could easily increase the amount of doctors. We can let in more from China, India, etc., states can pay off student loans in exchange for family doctors practicing in that state and some states can build more or another medical school(s). There are lots of creative ways you can try to increase the amount of doctors in this country.

Of course it takes time but it can be done.

In the mean time, we can try to get more nurses to become nurse practitioners.
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I tend to like Indian doctors. They tend to know what they're talking about.

We could easily increase the amount of doctors. We can let in more from China, India, etc., states can pay off student loans in exchange for family doctors practicing in that state and some states can build more or another medical school(s). There are lots of creative ways you can try to increase the amount of doctors in this country.

Of course it takes time but it can be done.

In the mean time, we can try to get more nurses to become nurse practitioners.
Great idea for more nurses to become PAs or NP but do you have any idea the cost for the education? I don't think you do. It is back to the same old story, do they want to be 100,000 in dept?

Nita
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:27 PM
 
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Investors.com - 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul





So much for the phony rhetoric that doctors are on his side. Geez, how many more lies is the man going to be caught telling?
Ah, but who needs doctors anyways? Under Obamacare, the gobmint is your doctror
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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I tend to like Indian doctors. They tend to know what they're talking about.

We could easily increase the amount of doctors. We can let in more from China, India, etc., states can pay off student loans in exchange for family doctors practicing in that state and some states can build more or another medical school(s). There are lots of creative ways you can try to increase the amount of doctors in this country.

Of course it takes time but it can be done.

In the mean time, we can try to get more nurses to become nurse practitioners.
Unless you'll force those doctrors to come here, what is their incentive? Money is off the table
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:30 PM
 
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Regarding doctors there is one major problem that nobody is addressing. We currently have a shortage of doctors especially family or general practice doctors. At my current location I called to make a appointment and was given one seven weeks later. Now imagine that national healthcare goes through. If everyone has healthcare you will not be able to get an appointment to see a doctor for years. If you require surgery you will be in big trouble. I think there will be many doctors quitting out of frustration or transferring to specialties.
I often said the Obama was the best used car salesman I ever heard. I now think he has a God complex. How can any educated man believe that he can snap his fingers and make national healthcare appear over night? We are in dire need of healthcare reform but let's do it the right way and phase it in over a number of years.

Go and tell the AMA to stop lobbying against more people entering Medical School each year. They preach free market yet they don't want people to compete uh?
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Old 09-18-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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Regarding doctors there is one major problem that nobody is addressing. We currently have a shortage of doctors especially family or general practice doctors. At my current location I called to make a appointment and was given one seven weeks later. Now imagine that national healthcare goes through. If everyone has healthcare you will not be able to get an appointment to see a doctor for years. If you require surgery you will be in big trouble. I think there will be many doctors quitting out of frustration or transferring to specialties.
I often said the Obama was the best used car salesman I ever heard. I now think he has a God complex. How can any educated man believe that he can snap his fingers and make national healthcare appear over night? We are in dire need of healthcare reform but let's do it the right way and phase it in over a number of years.
The reason there is a shortage of primary care physicians involves several reasons. They are unfairly not reimbursed well for their visits. A specialist is reimbursed more for their visit and most specialists do procedures which pay more as well. As long as Medicare chooses to stiff PCP's, it's going to be a struggle to get medical students to go into those fields

There are other reasons. The public doesn't treat primary care doctors with the same respect as they do with specialists. They falsely believe that PCP doctors are less intelligent because they couldn't specialize. The #1 person in my class chose to do family medicine. They don't realize that talented people choose Primary Care fields because it offers a better lifestyle and they enjoy interacting with patients. Many surgical fields and even highly specialized fields don't provide that same sense of intimacy or that physician-patient relationship that primary care fields afford.

Lastly, PCP's do a lot of work. I feel like lucky that I just get to manage a patient's cardiac issues. I have many friends who general internists and they are managing several more issues, spend longer office visits and get paid less than me for each of their visits. This is why people avoid these fields. Medicare could change all of that through higher reimbursement. But of course Obama would rather continue feeding the trial attorneys an reduce PCP pay even more through socialized medicine. And his answer is hilarious. He would rather give them free tuition through some govt. program and cost them 2-3 million dollars worth of salary over a lifetime in exchange for 250K.
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