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Old 09-15-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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With all the crap that is coming from China - The useless, shoddy clothing, furniture, toys and all other consumer goods - Obama puts a tariff on tires.

We don't need the other crap - There is already too much crappy clothing on the store shelves.

So, he chooses one of the things that we need to get to work, or even to find jobs - Tires.

The justification is that 5,000 jobs were lost. Big deal - In the textile, clothing and furniture industries, the lost jobs amount to 100,000 and more lost jobs, and more are being lost every day.

But. the unions of the tire companies wanted payback. And Obama gives it to them.

This is going to hurt all of us - The tariffs are 35% the fist year. That means tires will go up by 50%.

He is selling us out, and destroying the economy.

washingtonpost.com

This is the wrong move at the wrong time.

I guess this is how he is going to get a back-door tax raise from us to boot.

He is hurting the most vunerable people with this. The people that cannot afford to pay these price increases.

We need the tires - We don't need any more overpriced, crappy clothing, furniture or toys.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:09 PM
 
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Selling out the working class by supporting unions is by definition an oxymoron.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Selling out the working class by supporting unions is by definition an oxymoron.
Surely you have said more than once that union membership is very small. If so then you just pulled an Obama and just out and out lied.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:39 PM
 
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With all the crap that is coming from China - The useless, shoddy clothing, furniture, toys and all other consumer goods - Obama puts a tariff on tires.

We don't need the other crap - There is already too much crappy clothing on the store shelves.

So, he chooses one of the things that we need to get to work, or even to find jobs - Tires.

The justification is that 5,000 jobs were lost. Big deal - In the textile, clothing and furniture industries, the lost jobs amount to 100,000 and more lost jobs, and more are being lost every day.

But. the unions of the tire companies wanted payback. And Obama gives it to them.

This is going to hurt all of us - The tariffs are 35% the fist year. That means tires will go up by 50%.

He is selling us out, and destroying the economy.

washingtonpost.com

This is the wrong move at the wrong time.

I guess this is how he is going to get a back-door tax raise from us to boot.

He is hurting the most vunerable people with this. The people that cannot afford to pay these price increases.

We need the tires - We don't need any more overpriced, crappy clothing, furniture or toys.

I say we boycott Chinese money. We could immediately cut all federal deficit spending thereby depriving them of our interset bearing government bonds.
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:05 PM
 
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Default Do you know anything about unions?

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Selling out the working class by supporting unions is by definition an oxymoron.
Have you ever belonged to a union? Do you know anything about them?

Some may indeed benefit their members...And only their members. They certainly do not benefit society as a whole - Especially working class people that have to foot the bill for the fat cats that run the unions, the padding of costs with no-work jobs, the ridiculous benefits.

I belonged to 2 unions like that - And I was disgusted with the idea of being part of them. It was like stealing. (They were construction unions).

Then there are the other types of unions. The ones that really screw the members at the end. Talk to some steel workers that lost their jobs around the 1960s - and ended up with nothing after 20 years work.

And then there was another union that I worked for - the typical mob run union, which I had to sign up for, pay dues, and got absolutely nothing out of them. They were making money from both ends - Our dues, the companies kick-backs.

Overall, many union bosses keep their jobs by getting the workers more than they deserve. But that's not the only extra costs. These union bosses also take very good care of themselves and their cronies. And we end up paying the price - We the working class.

I am not going to say all unions are bad. There are a few good unions - but not many.

The problem with this forum, is that there are people commenting that have no real life experience. They simply take a left wing position or a right wing position, and make comments without any real knowledge of the subject.

If you don't have experience with working with unions, being a member or having to deal with them - You really know little or nothing about them, or their workings.
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:07 PM
 
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Selling out the working class by supporting unions is by definition an oxymoron.
You can't be serious. The guys I know that belong to unions are upper middle class AT LEAST. This tariff would not effect them in the least (they don't buy low end tires anyway).
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:21 PM
 
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Default Unfortunately it is our money - Isn't it?

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I say we boycott Chinese money. We could immediately cut all federal deficit spending thereby depriving them of our interset bearing government bonds.
Again - I don't want to knock all unions. But let's face it - Years ago when many of our industries were talking about automating, developing robotic assembly lines here in the USA, the unions raised hell about it, and threatened to put a stop to it. Didn't they?....(Great!, I'm writing this on a forum that's mostly swamped with radical leftist near teens, that think that they are going to control the world by typing on their keyboards).

...well, that is the history of this country - Yes, not long ago while industries still had factories here, the unions fought against automation (robotics), and the owners said, the hell with it, we'll look around someplace else..Thus the development of industry in Asia...(long story short).

So, the unions ended up screwing themselves, and all of us to boot, as industry exited very fast.

That is why I am so furious about this tariff on tires. This is a relatively small number of jobs being saved here, at a great cost to everyone else. Especially the poor working class, that don't earn union wages, but could have if the unions allowed automation to develop, our schools would have trained more people to use those robotics, and we would have a more sophisticated working class (all around) making better wages (all around).

And, we would have kept our money (and bonds) at home.
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:38 PM
 
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I don't think too many people here in the US are buying Chinese-manufactured tires.
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Old 09-16-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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Bridgestone/Firestone, Goodyear, Michelin and Cooper have operations in China.
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