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09-17-2009, 05:27 PM
 Status: ""a mind that understands science"" (set 8 days ago) 18,803 posts, read 12,121,836 times Reputation: 10236

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 Originally Posted by rubber_factory Looking at the data, one could also conclude that teen birth rates are highest in states with the most sunshine. One could also conclude that teen birth rates are highest in states with the highest temperatures. One could also conclude that teen birth rates are highest in states with the highest % of minorities. One could also conclude that teen birth rates are highest in states with the highest violent crime. etc..

Correct- again, it is a type 2 logic error and presents "factual" data, upon which a fallacious assumption is made. That is why mulitple "t" tests are not statistically valid when determining the impact of multiple variables upon one measured outcome. The possibility that this "factor" is chance increases as the number of contributing factors increases. Therefore, as noted above, an ANOVA analysis with a Neuman-Keuls correction for multiple variables must be used to be statistically correct.

Again, this is an excellent example of how "facts" can be massaged, using poor logic and poor statistics, to enforce a fallacious conclusion. You will see this error often even in respected journals, such as NEJM, which is suprising. When these errors are reported to them, to thier credit, they do make an erratum report, but the damage is already done.

09-17-2009, 05:35 PM
 Location: New Mexico to Texas 4,552 posts, read 13,428,775 times Reputation: 2125
at least New Mexico came in second, we are always trying to catch up to Mississippi it seems in every category.

this one category happens to be a good thing cause it keeps the boys in high school busy with girls that dont mind having a little fun.

09-17-2009, 05:36 PM
 Location: Santa Barbara 1,474 posts, read 2,638,852 times Reputation: 950
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 Originally Posted by wjtwet Birth rates are higher. Those who practice religion do not believe in killing. So yes more religious staes will have higher birth rates. I anm willing to gamble they have much lower abortions also. When you believe life is sacred you have a tendency not to kill babies
This is what irritates me, IF you are religious and against abortion shouldn't you ALSO be against premarital sex? So you are saying they are picking and choosing what they want to follow? It sounds like they are practicing religion in a half-a\$\$ed way.

Here is something interesting I found:

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
Abortion Statistics

According to THIS, which who knows how valid it is, religious folks have more abortions than those that claim no religious affiliation. Evangelicals are slightly lower than the non-religious but they DO have them.

Last edited by jillz; 09-17-2009 at 05:39 PM.. Reason: cleaning up bad pasting job!

09-17-2009, 05:47 PM
 Location: Foot of the Rockies 86,883 posts, read 102,281,764 times Reputation: 32946
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 Originally Posted by jillz This is what irritates me, IF you are religious and against abortion shouldn't you ALSO be against premarital sex? So you are saying they are picking and choosing what they want to follow? It sounds like they are practicing religion in a half-a\$\$ed way. Here is something interesting I found: Who's having abortions (religion)? Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical". Abortion Statistics According to THIS, which who knows how valid it is, religious folks have more abortions than those that claim no religious affiliation. Evangelicals are slightly lower than the non-religious but they DO have them.
Well, we need to know how many people "claim" these religions. The distribution looks fairly accurate to me.

09-17-2009, 05:57 PM
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 Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests. Mississippi topped the list for both conservative religious beliefs and teen birth rates. Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com

That would be because they are less likely to kill their baby, but you didn't want to mention that did you?

09-17-2009, 06:29 PM
 Location: Turn Left at Greenland 17,700 posts, read 35,557,204 times Reputation: 7951
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 Originally Posted by nononsenseguy Ummm ahh....ahem...Excuse me...Mary was a virgin. Or do you know nothing about Christianity? Are you an atheist, or what? God chose Mary to be the birth mother of Jesus (God incarnate ... God can do anything ... He is God) Obviously, you are not a believer. Too bad.
So what, did God dance the ***, went shazaam and there was jesus in her arms? She birthed him at 14, no? Doh!!!

09-17-2009, 06:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests. Mississippi topped the list for both conservative religious beliefs and teen birth rates. Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com
For the love of Pete. I think that is the dumbest article I've ever read. I'm not expecting people to think for themselves though, that takes effort.

09-17-2009, 06:46 PM
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Take Kansas for example, They have been a RED state in every single presidential since 1972.
They are also known for shooting abortion doctors in church. Thus, what choice is left to these girls?
A coat hanger?

09-18-2009, 07:37 AM
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 Originally Posted by Daysleepin Take Kansas for example, They have been a RED state in every single presidential since 1972. They are also known for shooting abortion doctors in church. Thus, what choice is left to these girls? A coat hanger?
Give them the birth control pill! I don't see how this can interfere with religion...I can see that some have issues with abortion and I'm not a fan of it either, just in cases of rape or if you already used protection and still got pregnant and in case the fetus is showing many signs of being severe sick...

I'm against abortus just to use it as a birth control prevention and specially after a certain amount of weeks that is baby killing!

Better give them the pill or morning after pill, that can save a lot of issues!

09-18-2009, 10:00 AM
 Location: Bella Vista, Ark 71,683 posts, read 83,258,368 times Reputation: 41529
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 Originally Posted by desert sun at least New Mexico came in second, we are always trying to catch up to Mississippi it seems in every category. this one category happens to be a good thing cause it keeps the boys in high school busy with girls that dont mind having a little fun.
Well you need to catch up with AR as well, not on this but on the worst educated kids. I know you probably lead in drop out rate, at least the ABQ district does, but we lead on overall education. Well we are just behind Mississippi and about even with WV.

Nita
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