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Old 09-17-2009, 06:42 AM
 
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U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests.

Mississippi topped the list for both conservative religious beliefs and teen birth rates.

Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com
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Old 09-17-2009, 06:48 AM
 
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“Every man alone is sincere. At the entrance of a second person, hypocrisy begins.”

“A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy”
- Benjamin Disraeli

“Corruption and hypocrisy ought not to be inevitable products of democracy, as they undoubtedly are today”
Mahatma Gandhi

“Hypocrisy: a lie in action - the legacy of indecency”

“Hypocrisy, the lie, is the true sister of evil, intolerance, and cruelty.”
Raisa M. Gorbachev

“Democracy is hypocrisy without limitation.”

“We are not hypocrites in our sleep”

“Hypocrisy is the lubricant of society.”
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Old 09-17-2009, 06:50 AM
 
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“Hypocrisy is the lubricant of society.”
I have no idea what your point is, but I don't think these teens need any more lubricant. They need condoms and birth control pills.
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Old 09-17-2009, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Nashville
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i have no idea what your point is, but i don't think these teens need any more lubricant. They need condoms and birth control pills.
lol
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Sex makes the boys feel good and manly (the look what I did syndrome) and pregnancy keep the girls out of competition for jobs as well as demonstrating the basic evil of these seductresses. Helpless women and endless poor underpaid wage slaves or more breeders are the way "things should be." Just ask some drunken fundamentalist preacher or irresponsible absentee fathers.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Well ... wasn't mary 14 when she had jesus?
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:12 AM
 
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I have no idea what your point is, but I don't think these teens need any more lubricant. They need condoms and birth control pills.

lol!

I think you can find a study to say just about anything you want it to say. I read teenage pregnancy was high among black girls because more white girls can afford abortions. They do make for interesting reading.

Maybe teenage pregnancy is so high in those places because there's nothing else to do. I've been to Mississippi... Not a lot for young girls to do. Maybe they just need a hobby. Look over me hadn't had any coffee yet.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:21 AM
 
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U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests.

Mississippi topped the list for both conservative religious beliefs and teen birth rates.

Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com
Thank you for pointing out this important bit of information. I will mail you a cookie.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:31 AM
 
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Thank you for pointing out this important bit of information. I will mail you a cookie.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I think you might have the wrong site.

This is a message board where people post bits of news they find interesting and then talk about those things. We've had hundred-post threads talking about the most insignificant bits of data on the planet. "Mail you a cookie"? Come off it, buddy. If you don't want to discuss the topic at hand, feel free to jog on.

ANYWAY: I think the US seriously needs to get over its aversion to condoms. Abstinence ed? Sure thing. Do that too, if you think it helps. Then give out loads and loads of condoms. Good ones, too. Not the ones that feel like they are made out of old tires.

Once there are condoms EVERYWHERE, start being very frank about how much work kids are.

In addition: Parents can start keeping a better eye on their kids. We can ALL stop deifying sex so much. We can promote education, which is a major factor at play here. States like Mississippi and South Carolina (where I'm from) are very religious states, but they're also states with crappy job prospects and crappy secondary ed systems. Give kids options and a gameplan for the future and they're less likely to risk going halvsies on a baby-bump.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:38 AM
 
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U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests.

Mississippi topped the list for both conservative religious beliefs and teen birth rates.

Teen birth rates highest in most religious states - Kids and parenting- msnbc.com
This place is so fun.

This is what we call type 2, or fallacious deductive, error in logic. The initial data presented is true, but an incorrect association or deduction is made to arrive at the conclusion. It is a technique often used by propagandists and politicians to decieve.


Example of a type 2 logic error

1. Africa has the highest continental prevalence of aids
2. Most Africans are black
3. Therefore being black causes aids

The initial premise is that teen pregnancy is highest in states with conservative religious beliefs. I do not debate that "fact", but am not certain actually whether it is true or not. That is not relevant, as the conclusion or inference is invalid. The inference that -

conservative religious beliefs cause teen pregancy

is certainly incorrect and is a logic error, equally as invalid as the premise noted above.


Obviously, income levels, education, cultural beliefs, state laws and a variety of other factors come into to play when considering the global effects that result in higher teen pregnancies.

In order to determine the REAL impact on teen pregnancy with regard to these factors, one must conduct a statistical evalauation, compared to another region, using an ANOVA evaluation with a Nueman Keuls analysis for multiple comparisons. The reason that multiple "t" tests for comparisons is invalid lies in the fact that when one looks at an infinite number of factors that may contribute to a certain "outcome", a number of those factors may be invalid simply due to chance. The multiple "t" test analysis is a common statistical error that one often sees even in well respected peer reviewed journals which fail to understand proper statistical evaluation of data. Therefore incorrect conclusions are drawn not due to the validity of the data, but the statistical interpretaion of the data.

A little science literature primer for those more interested in the methods and evaluation of data, than the conclusions. When evaluating a paper, look first at the methods and results, then look at the hypothesis and conclusion. Often the latter are not worth reading due to problems with the former.
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