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Old 09-19-2009, 08:05 PM
 
Location: California
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Looks are subjective though and I really doubt how the employees look at a store break or make how many clothes the store sells. Not hiring someone because how they look is just as bad as not hiring someone because they are a certain race. It seems the store is run by very shallow people
My kids friends have worked at A&F. Some were hired to be "brand reps", meaning they basically stand near the entrance of the store, wearing the brands the store sells, and looking good doing so. All in order to attract others into the store so they too can look good. LOL. I'm not saying it's a great thing, but it is what it is. They wouldn't hire ME either.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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So, if Hooters hires me....can I wear my flannel pajamas to work?
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Old 09-19-2009, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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Don't get me started.

Oops! Too late!

Fitch is a cesspool anyway, and I can't imagine any self respecting ADULT wanting to work there.
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Old 09-19-2009, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Teen alleges discrimination by Abercrombie & Fitch - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_bi_ge/us_abercrombie_lawsuit - broken link)

I generally dislike Abercrombie for their emphasis on pornography and their all-white kids marketing and previous discrimination issues. But I think that they are right on this one. if this girl will not wear their clothes and chooses to make her religion front and center, then I think that they have a right to choose not to hire her.

Sounds like a slam dunk case to me. Unless you live on the Moon, you realize the significance of this head scarf to Muslims. Of course it would be nice if the Muslims who enjoy so much religious freedom respected the religions of others. I've found that Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists generally respect the religions of others. Muslims still persecute and kill those who will not be forcibly converted to Islam or convert to any other religion from Islam.
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Old 09-20-2009, 01:08 AM
 
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I wonder how people would feel if the situation was reversed. Let's say an attractive female walked into the Banana Republic and applied for a sales position. The applicant wore a necklace with a large cross. Banana Republic then told her she couldn't wear the cross if she wanted to work there because they are trying to promote a certain image. If this person sued for religious discrimination, I wonder how many people would oppose her decision.

I've witnessed a lot Muslim American females working in trendy stores on the west coast. They do wear a head scarf but the rest of their outfit is very fashionable. I don't see how it woud violate the store's policy if she wore their clothes despite wearing the scarf. I see them work in Fashion Square mall in Scottsdale, AZ. It's never been a problem. Perhaps, the Tulsa, OK location has much to do with this.

With regard to employment, it is illegal for companies to discriminate on race, gender, religion, age, national origin and sexual orientation. This is simply a matter of law. AF clearly discriminated against this young woman based on her faith.

AF has discriminated against hiring ethnic people in the past. There was a 60 Minutes report devoted to this. The Look Of Abercrombie & Fitch - 60 Minutes - CBS News

If you want to punish AF, don't buy their clothes. That will send them a message.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:52 AM
 
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I wonder how people would feel if the situation was reversed. Let's say an attractive female walked into the Banana Republic and applied for a sales position. The applicant wore a necklace with a large cross. Banana Republic then told her she couldn't wear the cross if she wanted to work there because they are trying to promote a certain image. If this person sued for religious discrimination, I wonder how many people would oppose her decision.

I've witnessed a lot Muslim American females working in trendy stores on the west coast. They do wear a head scarf but the rest of their outfit is very fashionable. I don't see how it woud violate the store's policy if she wore their clothes despite wearing the scarf. I see them work in Fashion Square mall in Scottsdale, AZ. It's never been a problem. Perhaps, the Tulsa, OK location has much to do with this.

With regard to employment, it is illegal for companies to discriminate on race, gender, religion, age, national origin and sexual orientation. This is simply a matter of law. AF clearly discriminated against this young woman based on her faith.

AF has discriminated against hiring ethnic people in the past. There was a 60 Minutes report devoted to this. The Look Of Abercrombie & Fitch - 60 Minutes - CBS News

If you want to punish AF, don't buy their clothes. That will send them a message.
I completely agree with this. I consider the head scarf to be something totally outside the realm of everyday clothing. I just see it as a part of the person, almost like hair. I could understand if A&F said something like you can wear the scarf but it has to be in neutral colors. It would similar to them saying you need to wear you hair a certain way to fit the store image. They would never say, you can't work here because you have hair. Somewhere up-thread people were saying that some types of work require you to look professional. It is completely possible to wear a hijab and be professional. I don't see those two things as mutually exclusive. It's the same was Jewish men who where yarmulkes daily. I just see these things as a natural part of the person, and I think it's asking way too much to think that these things should be removed or unacceptable for employment. I understand that A&F has a particular style, but I really don't see how a head scarf necessarily deviates from that.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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Teen alleges discrimination by Abercrombie & Fitch - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_bi_ge/us_abercrombie_lawsuit - broken link)

I generally dislike Abercrombie for their emphasis on pornography and their all-white kids marketing and previous discrimination issues. But I think that they are right on this one. if this girl will not wear their clothes and chooses to make her religion front and center, then I think that they have a right to choose not to hire her.
Yes, what if she next decides she wants to work for Hooters? And then after that a strip club but doesn't want to follow any sort of dress code?
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:07 AM
 
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Well, let's be honest here. It was discrimination. They didn't hire her based on her look. That is discrimination plain & simple. I don't know how anyone can deny that. On a side note: why would anyone want to work there anyway? The music level at that store is ridiculous.
No it isn't. In many workplaces, you cannot show up with metal all over your face, you cannot wear long plastic fingernails or bright nail polish. You can't wear a bikini or thong to work. Tattoos must be covered even if that means long sleeves all summer.

No one wants to go into a clothing store where the women are dressed in burkas.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:20 AM
 
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No it isn't. In many workplaces, you cannot show up with metal all over your face, you cannot wear long plastic fingernails or bright nail polish. You can't wear a bikini or thong to work. Tattoos must be covered even if that means long sleeves all summer.

No one wants to go into a clothing store where the women are dressed in burkas.
I think the article in question was a head covering. Not a burka.

Also, tatoos and fingernail polish have nothing to do with race, gender, religion or sexuality.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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This is a tough one for me. I feel the hijab is sexist; a cherry on the cake of a sexist culture. I also feel places like A&F can be sexist as well or at least promoting goofy messages of how people should look. Although, I completely understand that the fashion industry is trying to sell an image. I wouldn't expect a pierced up punk with a green mohawk to be working the register at a grannies bra shop. As others have mentioned, there are certain expectations of attire when working. And what if a woman wanted to wear a burka? I don't think anyone here would support that for A&F, so why is the hijab any different?
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