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Old 10-24-2009, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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Denmark... Number one for being the happiest

Just like Sweden, Denmark is a Nordic welfare state with most of its services free to the citizens. Expect to pay 72% of your money to the government on the highest income tax bracket. According to Wikipedia Denmark has the worlds highest taxes! When buying a car in Denmark one has to pay 25% VAT to the import price of the vehicle and then a 180% registration tax on top. That means when a car sells for $20 000, you have to pay an additional $45 000 as taxes for the government (total of $65 000). That’s why people in Denmark ride bikes or use one of the best public transport systems in the world. Denmark also has 2 autonomous provinces – the Faroe Islands and Greenland. The latter is over 50 times larger than Denmark but has about 100 times less people.

Sweden... Ranked 7th for happiest

This “welfare state” model is an excellent example of effective national taxes. Among other things the state provides universal tax-funded childcare, parental leave, health care, education (including university), retirement pensions and sick leave. Including value added tax (VAT – kind of like sales tax), it is possible to pay up to 80% of your income as taxes. Contrary to popular belief, Swedes are quite OK with their high taxes. After all it gives them tons of free and high quality services – what’s not to be happy about!

The United States... ranked 17th.

Top 10 happiest countries in the world | Financial Jesus
Those countries are what America could and should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:33 AM
 
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They didn't actually survey how happy people are. The socialist leaning authors simply assumed the countries with more social programs would be happier.

exactly.


and this reminds me of when I was a little guy, at my desk, in the indoctrination camp (public school)...

the history teacher taught us about FDR and all the Departments and Programs he created during his years as President.

The way the teacher presented it all, had me and other classmates believing that all the departments/programs he created were great, and that FDR was one of our best Presidents. Up there with Washington and Jefferson.


It wasn't until many years later (after I made it out of the indoctrination camp) that I realized how socialistic this FDR fella was, and how his programs extended the great depression and severely reduced the freedom of americans... this FDR fella truly fits the saying "the road to hell is full of good intentions"

It's great that we have government ran schools that teach that growing government is a good thing. /
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Taxation in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comparison of taxes paid by a household earning the country's average wage (as of 2005)

1) Single No Kids
2) Married w/ 2 kids

1) Single 2) Married
25.70% 8.10% Ireland
29.00% 11.00% Iceland
29.10% 11.90% United States
35.30% 12.20% Luxembourg
20.50% 14.50% New Zealand
28.30% 16.00% Australia
17.30% 16.20% Korea
18.20% 18.20% Mexico
29.50% 18.60% Switzerland
31.60% 21.50% Canada
38.30% 23.20% Slovakia
27.70% 24.90% Japan
36.20% 26.60% Portugal
43.80% 27.10% Czech Republic
33.50% 27.10% United Kingdom
38.60% 29.10% Netherlands
41.40% 29.60% Denmark
37.30% 29.60% Norway
39.00% 33.40% Spain
45.40% 35.20% Italy
47.40% 35.50% Austria
51.80% 35.70% Germany
44.60% 38.40% Finland
38.80% 39.20% Greece
50.50% 39.90% Hungary
55.40% 40.30% Belgium
50.10% 41.70% France
43.60% 42.10% Poland
47.90% 42.40% Sweden
42.70% 42.70% Turkey

You do realize this is comparing income tax rates and not overall taxes paid. In the US we also pay, state tax, sales tax, property taxes, capital gains tax etc. oh and don't forget fees!
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:41 AM
 
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The taxes in these nations are about 48% of income- but there is free high quality health care- which reduces stress immensely, adding to quality of life. Education is free- there are numerous other social safety nets that provide for the good of the society of these nations.

There is also more of an effort ot balance the difference between the haves and have nots.

The USA has a tax rate that is about 15-20% lower- however for the taxes we pay, we do not get all that much. Health care which for now is exceedingly more costly- though that will begin to change.

American society has more opportunities, but also more stress- Americans have higher rates of cardiovascular disease, cancer then the nations mentioned.
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:50 AM
 
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You do realize this is comparing income tax rates and not overall taxes paid. In the US we also pay, state tax, sales tax, property taxes, capital gains tax etc. oh and don't forget fees!

You al;so have to loo at fees paid inthose counteis for veryhting. toatl cost of living makes things lok much different.I thni you alos need to loom what each country has a nation aspires to;persoanlly I am very happy in teh US. Others can do what they want.
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Old 10-24-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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I'd assume people would be happy when things are provided free by the government. Maybe it's easier for Sweden and Denmark to have the systems they have when you consider their population size. Denmark has about 5 million people and Sweden has about 9 million people. How would those systems translate to America's 300 million population? Also how sustainable would a Nordic style system be for America when considering the changes coming with our taxpayer population? 78 million U.S baby boomers are entering retirement. Who do you tax to support an American Nordic style system?

Much of Europe will be asking the same questions:

Europe's New Young Generation of Losers | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:05 AM
 
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The taxes in these nations are about 48% of income- but there is free high quality health care- which reduces stress immensely, adding to quality of life. Education is free- there are numerous other social safety nets that provide for the good of the society of these nations.

There is also more of an effort ot balance the difference between the haves and have nots.

The USA has a tax rate that is about 15-20% lower- however for the taxes we pay, we do not get all that much. Health care which for now is exceedingly more costly- though that will begin to change.

American society has more opportunities, but also more stress- Americans have higher rates of cardiovascular disease, cancer then the nations mentioned.
they get much more for the tax dollar than we do. i have been to scandinavia and i have family there. they do not understand our societal views. they don't understand why we crap on our neighbors.

their seniors are set for retirement. they don't need to cut their pills in half to be able to afford their heating bills like some of our seniors. it's gut wrenching to see how poorly our grandmas and grandpas get treated.
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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American society has more opportunities, but also more stress- Americans have higher rates of cardiovascular disease, cancer then the nations mentioned.
Aren't these medical conditions related more to American diets and not our welfare system?
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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Denmark and Sweden are also two highly irrelevant countries on the world stage and their people are so socialized and zombified that they have no ambitions or expectations for themselves or their country. Have people from these countries won any Nobel prizes in science, literature, or medicine lately? Are they trailblazers in technology like the USA?

I have no interest in the great USA becoming mediocre and inconsequential -- and happy about it -- like many small European countries.
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Old 10-24-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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Denmark and Sweden are also two highly irrelevant countries on the world stage and their people are so socialized and zombified that they have no ambitions or expectations for themselves or their country. Have people from these countries won any Nobel prizes in science, literature, or medicine lately? Are they trailblazers in technology like the USA?

I have no interest in the great USA becoming mediocre and inconsequential like many small European countries.
We are talking about livability and happiness. Not power and technology.
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