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Old 09-21-2009, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Since Harry Reid said the Apollo Alliance helped write the stimulus bill, how many other bills, percentage-wise, do you think Congress doesn't fully write because some special interest group is doing it? You know, I mean other than the ones naming a Post Office.

Would it be wrong to ask your Senator what percentage of the Stimulus Bill the Apollo Alliance wrote or exactly what they put into the bill? See, I'm thinking the Republicans are keeping their yappers shut because they've been doing the same thing. What if it wasn't some elected person that put the turtle road or tattoo removal or the national healthcare database in a bill that was supposed to be about stimulating the economy but Congress thinks it's worse to confess that NO elected official did it than to look like doofs for doing it?

How do you think it compares to 25 years ago? 40 Years ago? In which year did special interest groups take charge in DC?

If the people we elect aren't reading major bills and they aren't writing major bills what the heck are they doing?

I thought special interest groups influenced Congress. I didn't know they were actually doing the work.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:18 PM
 
Location: here
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Do you have a link or something to support this, or that actually says who has written what bill? I can't form an opinion unless I know that is actually happening.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Since Harry Reid said the Apollo Alliance helped write the stimulus bill, how many other bills, percentage-wise, do you think Congress doesn't fully write because some special interest group is doing it? You know, I mean other than the ones naming a Post Office.

Would it be wrong to ask your Senator what percentage of the Stimulus Bill the Apollo Alliance wrote or exactly what they put into the bill? See, I'm thinking the Republicans are keeping their yappers shut because they've been doing the same thing. What if it wasn't some elected person that put the turtle road or tattoo removal or the national healthcare database in a bill that was supposed to be about stimulating the economy but Congress thinks it's worse to confess that NO elected official did it than to look like doofs for doing it?

How do you think it compares to 25 years ago? 40 Years ago? In which year did special interest groups take charge in DC?

If the people we elect aren't reading major bills and they aren't writing major bills what the heck are they doing?

I thought special interest groups influenced Congress. I didn't know they were actually doing the work.
You should have realized this years (if not decades) ago. I'm only in my early 30s and have been aware of this for at least since I was eligible to vote.

It took only a few decades after the independence for corporate interests to butt their head into the government and control it. After all, it was socialism if people didn't support corporations and corporate interests. And original corporate charters presented today would be called socialistic (if not communistic) in nature.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I've read too that the lobbyists are the ones that prepare the bills "to help" the politicians.
Lobbyists are bad enough but now our Congressmen and ladies are actually letting them write up "draft" legislation for them.

Obama Speaks: Lobbyists not welcome in my administration
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:24 PM
 
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Congress is way more than the couple of dozen people you see on TV. There are more than 20,000 staffers behind those 535 or so elected folks, and they do most of the work. It's the same in the pirvate sector. A CEO does not sit down and scribble out his company's personnel or IT security policies. Staff do that. Lobbyists are like contractors. They bring in ideas from the outside. If you are a lobbyist and you want your idea considered, you put it into legislative language in the same way you'd put packing tape around a parcel before dropping it off at the post office. All these complaints about how they don't read or write bills (or most times, even vote on them) arise only because people have never been inside the government and therefore don't know how it works. When they are told that things are different from what they have imagined, they proceed to freak...
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Congress is way more than the couple of dozen people you see on TV. There are more than 20,000 staffers behind those 535 or so elected folks, and they do most of the work. It's the same in the pirvate sector. A CEO does not sit down and scribble out his company's personnel or IT security policies. Staff do that. Lobbyists are like contractors. They bring in ideas from the outside. If you are a lobbyist and you want your idea considered, you put it into legislative language in the same way you'd put packing tape around a parcel before dropping it off at the post office. All these complaints about how they don't read or write bills (or most times, even vote on them) arise only because people have never been inside the government and therefore don't know how it works. When they are told that things are different from what they have imagined, they proceed to freak...
But lobbyists are NOT government staff.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:28 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Congress is way more than the couple of dozen people you see on TV. There are more than 20,000 staffers behind those 535 or so elected folks, and they do most of the work. It's the same in the pirvate sector. A CEO does not sit down and scribble out his company's personnel or IT security policies. Staff do that. Lobbyists are like contractors. They bring in ideas from the outside. If you are a lobbyist and you want your idea considered, you put it into legislative language in the same way you'd put packing tape around a parcel before dropping it off at the post office. All these complaints about how they don't read or write bills (or most times, even vote on them) arise only because people have never been inside the government and therefore don't know how it works. When they are told that things are different from what they have imagined, they proceed to freak...
20,000 staffers... LOL you call George Soros' groups like the Weather Underground and Apollo Alliance "staffers"? There are NOT 20,000 staffers behind congress.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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20,000 staffers... LOL you call George Soros' groups like the Weather Underground and Apollo Alliance "staffers"? There are NOT 20,000 staffers behind congress.
Sounds less ominous...Like they are in our employ, with our best interests in mind lololol
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Since Harry Reid said the Apollo Alliance helped write the stimulus bill, how many other bills, percentage-wise, do you think Congress doesn't fully write because some special interest group is doing it? You know, I mean other than the ones naming a Post Office.

Would it be wrong to ask your Senator what percentage of the Stimulus Bill the Apollo Alliance wrote or exactly what they put into the bill? See, I'm thinking the Republicans are keeping their yappers shut because they've been doing the same thing. What if it wasn't some elected person that put the turtle road or tattoo removal or the national healthcare database in a bill that was supposed to be about stimulating the economy but Congress thinks it's worse to confess that NO elected official did it than to look like doofs for doing it?

How do you think it compares to 25 years ago? 40 Years ago? In which year did special interest groups take charge in DC?

If the people we elect aren't reading major bills and they aren't writing major bills what the heck are they doing?

I thought special interest groups influenced Congress. I didn't know they were actually doing the work.

I mostly blame the voters who sit through a bazillion attack ads that demonize one side or the other but never use the Internet to find out who funds the front group that pays for the ads. In the end, it all comes down to the same people who receive tax dollars buying access, and the reason they are able to do that is we allow it. I don't have a solution since I cannot force people to refuse to be lied to. My Congressional representatives couldn't care less about what I think and what I know. They've been playing the game long enough to realize the voters won't discover their lies if the press doesn't report it. They'll just call me and other concerned citizens names and the voting public will suck it up.
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Old 09-21-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sounds less ominous...Like they are in our employ, with our best interests in mind lololol
I know right?! What we are seeing is the "blame America first" crowd running the country and a hell of a lot of posters on here also fall in lock step with that.
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