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Old 09-23-2009, 04:39 AM
 
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Do you as Americans do have to pay income tax or not? Do you have to face consequences if you do not pay income tax?


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Old 09-23-2009, 04:42 AM
 
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tl;dw but lately I've been noticing that libertarians and some conservatives seem to be unable to count past 15.
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Old 09-23-2009, 04:57 AM
 
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tl;dw but lately I've been noticing that libertarians and some conservatives seem to be unable to count past 15.
How did Ron Paul ever manage to make it through medical school and deliver all of those babies? If you want people who can't count past 15, maybe you should look at some Obama supporters:


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Old 09-23-2009, 05:01 AM
 
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tl;dw but lately I've been noticing that libertarians and some conservatives seem to be unable to count past 15.



what????
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:04 AM
 
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Hmmm...some are even unable to understand what a reference to being able to count past 15 would mean...
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:09 AM
 
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How did Ron Paul ever manage to make it through medical school and deliver all of those babies? If you want people who can't count past 15, maybe you should look at some Obama supporters:

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what????
Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:12 AM
 
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16th amendment gave the government no new power of taxation.
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:14 AM
 
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I am asking what tl;dw is?
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Old 09-23-2009, 05:18 AM
 
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Is there a lawyer on here that can explain?

This thread is NOT about Obama or the childish left/right-battle.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:02 AM
 
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16th amendment gave the government no new power of taxation.
Transparently and utterly vapid. The "quote" -- lifted entirely out of context from Stanton v Baltic Mining -- is actually a citation to Brushaber v. Union Pacific which will offer zero comfort at all to foes of the income tax.

To restore the context lost, Congress has had the power to lay indirect (aka, excise) taxes from the moment the Constitution was adopted. Taxes upon income from whatever source derived are by definition such indirect taxes. A federal income tax was indeed imposed between 1862 and 1872 to help finance the Civil War. In 1872, Congress decided it was no longer necessary and repealed it. The tax returned in 1894, but in 1895 the Supreme Court ruled in Pollock v. Farmers Loan that in their effect, income taxes when applied to such things as rents and dividends constituted direct taxes upon the underlying assets, and held them to be therefore unconstitutional. The purpose of the 16th Amendment was to overturn this judicial attempt to redefine the nature of income taxes. The reason the 16th Amendment gave the government no new power of taxation was that it only confirmed a power that had existed in its entirety from the very beginning.

This post -- like so many others that rightwingers put up -- is based upon an assumption that most people don't know very much about a lot of things and so can be easily tricked or misled into believing propositions about them that are in fact flat out lies. You should be ashamed here of either A) your own lazy ignorance, or B) your own devious underhandedness, in having put up this post.
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